[ SECRET POST #3685 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3685 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

do they think it's impossible for someone to change their views years later or something?

[(Anonymous)]

Nevermind that Japan is pretty big, IIRC, on people showing affection in public period...

[(Anonymous)]

The problem is what she said is typical fujo behavior. They only like it when it's fictional characters because it's their fetish, not because they want actual gay representation. That's why lot of people still view YOI as fanservice for fangirls instead of actual progressiveness.

Didn't she also say something about not wanting to create anything with lesbian characters because they do nothing for her?

[(Anonymous)]

She made Michiko to Hatchin which absolutely has lesbian characters, so either someone completely misinterpreted something she said or it's just hearsay that literally never happened.

[(Anonymous)]

That's Sayo Yamamoto, the director of the series, who everyone conveniently forgets about. Personally I have doubts that Sayo would have worked with Kubo had she really been homophobic, because Sayo's a pretty progressive woman.

Fujiko to Mine also has a gay character with a big storyarc.


And about the butts, that's another thing people are forgetting, is that Sayo has always, consistently been about sexy. All her shows are sexy. Fujiko is sexy, Michiko is sexy. She's not going to suddenly stop putting in the sexy just because she's making a show about dudes.

[type_wild]

Haven't seen Michiko, but The Sexy was a central part of Fujiko's character and of the very moral of the story. Since it had a purpose, it also never felt pandering to me, the way the fanservice in YoI did. There's a huge difference between using sex to Make A Point about female emancipation, and repeatedly putting in lingering shots of naked, muscular men having meaningful conversations in the hot springs just because.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

See, I agree that the fanservice in the onsen was way OTT and cringey. But the rest? A LOT of the fanservicy looking stuff was part of the plot and character development.

[type_wild]

Character, maybe. Plot I'm not so sure - like, I'm pretty sure Victor noticed him plenty when he hung off him begging him to be his coach, well before the point they were naked on the pole and chewing on roses. And I... kinda want to argue that in Fujiko Mine, the very style of the animation makes the sex kinda, err, unsexy and not very appealing to the audience (it's been a few years since I saw it, so my memory isn't the best here). In YoI, that clearly isn't the case - there's this staff interview floating around where they about how important it was for them to draw butts. When the very first episode hits the audience with full-on Naked Victor, it's difficult to not see everything that follows as more of the same. Particularly since it seems to have taken more than one clue from Free!'s success formula.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, Free! wasn't the first gratuituous male naked fanservice anime by a wide, wide margin either though.

And by plot I meant that getting Yuri to do the "sexy" choreography, it was a way to build up his confidence/put him out of his comfort zone. And this being possible fro him potentially wouldn't have been as much on Victor's mind if he hadn't had ample opportunity to see that yes, Yuri actually could do sexy very well.

I'm not denying that the show is fanservice free, far from it. And a lot of it is written this way intentionally as fanservice. But some of the fanservicy scene makes sense in the plot.

[(Anonymous)]

You literally have a Gravitation icon.

[type_wild]

I sure do! I have also never claimed that it was meant to be something more than a silly comedy BL with its share of Problematic (tm) sides.

[(Anonymous)]

You really need to take off your US centric glasses. PDA are not something that're well received in Japan period.

[(Anonymous)]

She didn't say "go to a hotel, guys", she said "go to Nichome because gay behavior should stick to the gay neighborhood". NOT THE SAME.