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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-02-06 06:30 pm

[ SECRET POST #3687 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3687 ⌋

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dethtoll: (Default)

[personal profile] dethtoll 2017-02-06 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree. Especially given how many people seem to fetishize Batman's vigilantism with none of the nuance that goes with it.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-06 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Batman?
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[personal profile] vethica 2017-02-06 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Some kind of rich ninja man who dresses up like a bat, I think.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-06 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
What an outlandish concept.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-06 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I just don't know Batman was brought up.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-07 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Presumably, Batman represents - in Dethtoll's mind - some kind of political or moral idea which fundamentally contrasts with the political or moral ideas represented by Superman and Captain America. So what dethtoll is saying is that he agrees with OP's emphasis on Superman and Captain America, especially as a reaction to what he sees as the unfortunate popularity of Batman.

I'm just guessing based on the fact that I know how to read though
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[personal profile] dethtoll 2017-02-07 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
You're close.

I like Batman as much as anyone, and he was the main reason I got into comics. But there's a lot of nuance to the character that I think gets lost in the popular image of him, and people tend to see only his violent vigilantism and find that, and only that, to be something worth praising or emulating because it fits in with a worldview that insists on an idealized (and authoritarian) vision of law and order. It's like they all see the character the way Frank Miller sees him, and that bothers me.

In turn, characters like Superman and Captain America represent truth, justice and the American way, in that order. They're arguably the most compassionate people in their respective universes and represent the best of us. It's no coincidence that both characters were created by a bunch of Jewish kids in New York City during Hitler's rise to power. If Trump represents America's worst impulses, the dark side of the American dream, Superman and Captain America represent the best of what America -- and humanity -- could be.
Edited 2017-02-07 00:59 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2017-02-07 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
hear hear!

(Agree with that last paragraph especially, 1000%)

(Anonymous) 2017-02-07 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
+100

I saw the same thing going on in the arguments after CACW.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-07 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, I know you probably meant this as 'how did he get brought up in this conversation', but my first reaction to this comment was 'look, I really don't think Alfred Pennyworth intended the rich-ninja-man-dressed-as-a-bat part. Not judging by the snark, anyway'.