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I'm not familiar with these characters or these fandoms, but I think that it's important to consider that a side effect of more non-white characters on shows is that you're going to have more non-white characters that are disliked. In the sense that there are a lot of characters who are disliked just for whatever reason, and if there are more non-white characters, then that also gives more non-white characters the opportunity to fall into this category.
Sure, maybe there's a racial component. Maybe there's an unconscious racial bias. But I think that generally it's not productive to always search for 'extenuating' reasons for why a character isn't liked. Sometimes people just don't like them.

Yep, especially if a show try to have as diverse a cast as possible. A character that's poorly written and/or acted is going to be disliked even if they belong to every "privileged" or "oppressed" class in the book. It's the same reason why a good chunk people didn't like Laurel Lance to stay on the topic of Arrow. It wasn't misogyny that made people hate her. If that was the case people would hate Sara, Felicity, and Thea but they don't. In fact, people loved Sara so much they brought her back from the dead and made her a lead on a different show. Laurel's character was badly handled from day one and it didn't help that her actress only had chemistry with her dad and sister's actors. Sometimes a creative team fucks up and an audience notices by not liking a character.

There might be an edge to racism to the hate, but the majority is because they are the other love interest for pairings that are popular.

Pretty sure that's where it stems from. It's possible reactions are worse than they would've been if the character was white, but I'm not sure.

What's wrong with that

It's not like this is some Victorian marriage of deceased wife's sister type shit

Jack was an extremely likeable character; one shown to be (pardon the pun) undyingly loyal to his wife and family, while Miguel tried to downplay and demonize the very act of being married (telling Jack how horrible it will be, constantly complaining about his own wife, trying to get him to join an unofficial sort of boys' club at the golf range, etc).

Ok, those are bad traits, I was just confused about what's wrong with marrying your friend's widow

I don't watch the show I was mostly confused about your subject

Unless he was putting moves on her soon after, so? People are allowed to move on, and therevs nothing wrong with moving in with someone who knows what you lost be ause they lost it too.

I don't like Rene because he's reckless and thinks he can handle more than he actually can. He annoys the crap out of me. He could be white as snow and I'd still think he's irritating as fuck.

Unless it is the same people disliking all of those characters, maybe it just happens to be people don't like them as individuals? I adore Diggle. He was my favorite character when I watched Arrow. I don't care one way or the other about Randall's daughters (although I like his wife and father if the picture isn't what you meant by his family). But I disliked Miguel early on because I didn't like that he was set up as a Jack replacement. He is slowly growing on me as more is revealed, but I wouldn't say I like him. Maybe others are similar to me and like/dislike the characters based on reasons other than race?

...or maybe people don't like them because the characters are assholes while the others are presented as objectively good people?

I love Randall and the family, especially his wife who's pretty awesome at putting up with his shit :) They are #Relationship goals.

That's why people hate him.

Also he's..speciest? What is it when you hate mutants or supers or whatever they're calling them?

Whatever. He's an asshole.

Metas, and you're seriously going to call them another species and then call Rene the asshole?

Well, I was thinking Supergirl characters, which for the most part are another species of alien. So yeah. But also, how is calling them another species an asshole move? It's not derogatory. It's factual.

Supergirl characters are another species, but the flash and arrow metahumans aren't. They're just not.

Okay? Cool? That's why I was originally asking. Coming from Supergirl I automatically think species, but I knew that was off, hence the question marks????

Also he's..speciest? What is it when you hate mutants or supers or whatever they're calling them?

I just call him an asshole and leave the exact species of asshole up in the air.

Rene is Wild Dog, right? I don't watch Arrow, and only know him from the crossover, but I actually had to mute my TV when he was on screen - he was such a punchable little prick. Has nothing to do with him being Latino...I have the same reaction to similar lily-white anglo characters, too. (Many interpretations of Batman, frex.) Conversely, even when Cisco's being kind of a dick over in Flash (right after Flashpoint, particularly), he's one of my favourites.

How can anyone not love Cisco? He's a cinnamon role. But yeah, Cisco has reasons to be angry and passive aggressive towards people when he acts that way but Renee doesn't. We learned that his wife died and his kid got taken away a little while ago but Team Arrow is not the ones who took away his kid and killed his wife so he had no excuse to be assholes to them.

The writers seem to be writing Miguel specifically for this, though. Like the kids resent him and basically Present!Miguel is a doormat to make up for Past!Miguel who's a bit of a 70s caricature.

I think you're just a little used to how things are without as much representation and finding patterns where none is there.

Speaking as someone who doesn't like Miguel and loves Randall and his family, I don't think it's a race thing.

I don't like Miguel because I don't like his behavior, especially in the Thanksgiving episode when he insisted on wearing the Pilgrim Rick hat. That was Jack's tradition with his kids, based on an event that Miguel was not in at all, and it was rude to insert himself into it.

And on the other hand, the other character I don't like on This Is Us is Toby, and he's white. And that's also because of his behavior.

Randall and his family are wonderful and the cutest and I love them all.

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Miguel married his best friend's widow.

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Renee is an asshole

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are you serious with this?

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