[ SECRET POST #3713 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3713 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

What makes Zootopia so particularly nuanced and insightful, in your opinion?

Like... I just kind of am not sure what you're talking about?

[(Anonymous)]

The protagonist who claims to be tolerant and inclusive is unaware that she herself is a bigot, for starters.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Is this also something that you regard as a criticism of Get Out?

[(Anonymous)]

- Judy tries to be modern and open-minded but still has unconscious prejudices of her own to overcome (as mentioned above)
- more than one prejudice exists in a society at once including smaller group-specific stereotypes (Foxes are sneaky!) and larger ones Predator/Prey dynamics and they interact
- sometimes stereotypes have some truth to them (Nick's con jobs) but this is also partly because people are pushed into those roles, and also that still doesn't justify dismissing them or treating them poorly
- similar to the first point, but pushing it further, there's the great scene where Clawhauser calls Judy 'cute' and she remarks that it's kind of demeaning to call a bunny that, and instead of getting offended and saying that he would never say such a thing!!! and get mad at her for 'accusing' him of prejudice, he immediately apologizes, recognizes that people make assumptions about him too (donut-eating cop) and asks how he can be better, modeling a good response to messing up and getting corrected
- AND THEN Judy responds by recognizing his sincerity and forgiving him, modeling how not to be a weird scorched earth pure-or-scum tumblrina
- Nobody's EVIL or prejudiced just for the sake of it - even the villain has understandable goals and has been mistreated, but this is never presented as excusing her decision to violate, hurt, and exploit other animals
- there's also the scene where Gideon, the childhood bully fox, apologizes for his actions too, and Judy reconciles with him as well. It was really well done in terms of showing that he had he wasn't a cardboard villain either, but also that he had to take personal responsibility for his actions and had to work hard to improve as a person - and they accomplished it in a really short scene
- they do all this without ever being really didactic, imo. The big sweeping statements are all pretty much in the form of aspirational mottos this society tells itself but is still working on living up to, and transmitted to us through Judy's optimism (In Zootopia, anyone can be anything!) and undermined by the story without being destroyed with cynicism (Judy faces obstacles in her police career, but succeeds in the end, and Nick gets his badge too)

TLDR in general Zootopia portrayed an entire functioning society, with multiple social forces interacting, and people being affected by those forces but also having personal agency to improve and treat people better. Also, it never pushed its metaphor too hard. Fantasy racism often gets into weird "Senator Kelly was right" fridge logic territory because writers try to map too closely to irl prejudices, but Zootopia doesn't fall into that trap. Like, it has intersectionality, but the way it operates doesn't exactly match any irl forces, because the combination of predator-dangerousness and prey-majority doesn't fit any irl category. There's a faithfulness to telling a story about how these particular people think about each other and interact that lets it be a more universal approach to prejudice instead of a Furry palette-swap parable about one particular society or social conflict. And it does so in a cute, fun, easy to understand way that doesn't undermine or overwhelm or interrupt the story.

IDK anything about Get Out but Zootopia was freaking GREAT, especially as a kids movie, and I hope there are more like it.

[otakugal15]

THIS

[diet_poison]

I love this comment

[(Anonymous)]

You know, I have to admit that while I enjoyed Zootopia I didn't really get why people were going on about it being so socially aware (obviously there were parallels between the stuations in the movie and current racism). Reading this, though, opened up new insights for me. I'll have to watch it again!

[ketita]

Yes. These are some of the reasons I loved Zootopia too.

[(Anonymous)]

OTOH it would have been about 1000% better if the oppressed predator had been played by a POC, most specifically by an African-American male actor, because who in our society gets immediately and instantaneously stereotyped as violent and dangerous?

I mean WTH cast Justin Bateman in the role? Why wuss out and cast a white male actor in the role, as usual and always, thus undercutting the whole and entire point they were trying so hard to make?

I gave it negative 1000 points for that as the toothless effort that Hollywood always makes at preaching race relations.

[otakugal15]

Troll harder.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I'm sorry, what? I sincerely and truly believe these jerks wimped out with their casting and undercut their entire point. My argument is supported.

Do me a favor and look up the definition of troll because I think you're confused.

[otakugal15]

No, I'm not. Troll harder.

[(Anonymous)]

A troll posts things for the sake of causing people to take the bait and get upset.

I'm merely posting my belief. So. I'm not a troll.

However, you are by misrepresenting me and making me react. So, troll harder, I won't respond anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

You are the troll bitch. Fuck off.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Did otakugal15 just switch to anon to use foul language and call me a bitch? How weird.

At least be yourself if you're going to be rude, otakugal15.