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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-05-13 05:01 pm

[ SECRET POST #494 ]


⌈ Secret Post #494 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 10 pages, 250 secrets from Secret Submission Post #071.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
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Re: 16

(Anonymous) 2008-05-14 06:43 am (UTC)(link)
...Why was it necessary to throw in a snide comment about the Squall/Quistis relationship? You want tolerance for your ship, I don't see what the difference is in me wanting tolerance for mine.

But hey, if we're soapboxing now, count me in!

You said yourself that Rinoa's immature, and I think that's where the problem lies. She's also incredibly fickle, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but for someone like Squall who need someone who is, and will stay devoted to him? Rinoa dumps Seifer as soon as she finds out he might be executed; even though there aren't any more major power player evil sorceresses out there, Squall's job is still dangerous, and if rumor gets around that he was killed, comes back to Rinoa, and a hotter guy comes along?

People say that Rinoa wasn't in love with Seifer because she says that she "thinks" she's in love with him; that's just how Rinoa is. She's not the type for a hard commitment. If someone asked her how she felt about Squall? She'd say she thought she was in love with him, not that she was. It doesn't mean that she's not, just like it doesn't mean she didn't have feelings for Seifer. Even in the Timber Owls, where Rinoa is considered the leader in some ways, she doesn't do most of the hard work. She'll likely grow out of it, but at this point? That's a major problem.

Quistis, on the other hand, hasn't shown anything but commitment to Squall. She understands him better than anyone, and even though she passes her feelings off as sisterly affection, there's a high chance that she just said that because she saw him falling for Rinoa, and wanted him to be happy. She makes a few, "I wonder," and "if only," remarks after that, which to me, shows that she's not quite over him yet. While she might just exist as a beacon of support now, you said yourself that he needs someone to heal him; how could support not do that? What Rinoa has over Quistis is the fact that she pushes Squall, and if Quistis would learn to, things would be a lot different.

I don't agree that the secret insulted the fans, but man, jump off your high horse. There's plenty in FFVIII that's up for interpretation and exploration, whether the ending was as open as VII's or not. You're not going to change my mind, and I know I'm not going to change yours. Not to mention, uh, it's a game. :| No rebuttals are going to do anything but stroke egos and cause wank, mine included. They're fictional characters, of course people are going to disagree on what to do with them. Life goes on.

Re: 16

[identity profile] joiedecombat.livejournal.com 2008-05-14 07:01 am (UTC)(link)
My comment about Quistis wasn't meant as a snide dig, although I realize in hindsight that phrasing it the way I did turned it into one, and I apologize for that. I mentioned it because it seems clear to me that the reason Squall opened up to Rinoa and not to Quistis is because Quistis was pushing Squall to open up to her not solely out of concern for him but because she very obviously wanted him to support her emotionally in ways he wasn't remotely capable of doing.

That's my interpretation of the text of the game. You clearly have a very different one, and I really don't care either way. If other people like to ship Squall/Quistis it is no skin off me...

...which is, frankly, my problem with the secret and a lot of the arguments people make against Squall/Rinoa: they insist that anyone who thinks Squall/Rinoa works is "100% delusional" and that nobody should ship it, ever. In my arguments for the pairing I never claimed that it is the only pairing possible for either character and that there were no potential problems with it. I don't care if people prefer other ships or just plain don't like the pairing. But when people are telling me that I'm delusional for thinking it works? I am not the one on a high horse.

Or, to put it another way: I am not telling anyone they can't ship or not ship what they like. When people start doing me the same courtesy instead of telling me that I'm delusional for shipping what I like, then I'll shut up about my reasons for shipping it, and then maybe everyone can be happy!

Oh, wait, it's fandom.

Never mind.