[ SECRET POST #3732 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3732 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

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Hint: if you want people to give it a chance, talk about what it is about instead of sealing it like as a chance to get brownie points.

That's literally the whole point of the argument for YOI. I have no issue with people liking YOI, but stop pretending it's actual groundbreaking LGBT representation and using it for "brownie points" instead of admitting more of the same dumb "uwuuuu they touch each other a lot and stare lovingly at one another" subtexty crap that's been forced down LGBT fan's throats for years at this point.

People can talk until they're blue in the face about how it's super groundbreaking (while pretending NO.6 didn't come first and didn't actually seal the fucking deal) but it's pretty telling that the "gay ice skating anime" had very little explicit (not sexual, textual) gay in it. The cut-away kiss shots, the purposeful coyness regarding calling their relationship what it is, etc. Apparently it's possible to write a story in which being gay is no different from being straight...and then they forget the actual gayness. Maybe the director wants to pretend she's made a LGBT utopia, but for a lot of fans it just felt like a hand-wave of the issues (especially for many Russian LGBT fans who I've spoken to who feel like Viktor was a real slap in the face while they fight to be seen as worthy of human rights, something many of them are afraid won't happen in their lifetimes, Viktor was less "fun escape" and more "soul-crushing reminder that this will NEVER be their reality"), combined with still pulling the stupid coy shit that straight couples in anime aren't subjected to with anywhere near the same regularity that LGBT characters are.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, what a warm and fuzzy ice skating anime needed was Victor to be the victim of a homophobic mob attack and for Yuri to be raped and murdered in the street. That indeed would have made it a better anime, because gayness is solely defined by being violently oppressed.

just lmao. you don't speak for LGBT crowds, no matter how many personal anecdotes you claim to have.

[(Anonymous)]

Because that is exactly what I said. I said Viktor needed to be attacked and Yuuri to be raped and murdered in the street.

There's a whooooooooooooooooole big swath of land between "gratuitous LGBT sadporn" and "let the straight lady just handwave away LGBT issues entirely while also failing to represent us". What is it with the hyperbole? Do you think your argument gets any less stupid if you can pretend I said that I wanted a gang rape and murder shoved into the plot?

I am LGBT sweetheart. I can speak for myself and LGBT people who hold these same opinions just fine. Valid criticisms don't magically not exist just because you're sad your pet anime is being criticized.

Also they're not "personal anecdotes", you can find Japanese LGBT fans talking about this shit yourself if you'd like. You can also find plenty of English speaking LGBT fans pissed off about this. Just follow the trail of screeching, coronary-having YOI fans because y'all come out in droves the moment someone levels even mild criticism against this anime.

[(Anonymous)]

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First: swathe. You learn in kindergarten that the E on the end makes the vowel in the middle long.

Second: She didn't want to make a realistic anime. She wanted a happy anime. Something that would lift people's spirits, something where who you loved didn't matter (jesus, look at Michele) because love was something to rejoice in, no matter the form it came in. Get your sadfix elsewhere.

Also: being LGBT doesn't make you right. There are far more LGBT fans supporting the show than not supporting it, so not sure where you're going with that.

[(Anonymous)]

" There are far more LGBT fans supporting the show than not supporting it"

SOURCE? Your ass doesn't count.

[(Anonymous)]

First: swathe.

Not in the above sentence. See: http://grammarist.com/usage/swath-swathe/