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⌈ Secret Post #499 ⌋

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Well, firstly, I was half-joking. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the more vocal Bela-lovers were from the show in some aspect, and it was fun for me to imagine it. That's just the feeling I got, because generally fandom were leary on both girls, waiting it out, then once Ruby was revealed to be a demon she was much more widely accepted.

To be honest, I'm glad I did this secret, because I've never ONCE read any compelling reason to like Bela, and now it's coming out, and the reaction seems much more honest and less contrived than reasons I used to get in her defense. Seeing her as a fun bitchy character helps me accept her more, and I know that's what you live for, because all I saw was how she kept fucking the boys over and they kept letting her.

I didn't put words in your mouth, you put "I'm convinced you'd be singing a different song if she were a guy.", which my brain went to imagining her character as a guy, and Dean finding a way to get away from "him" as soon as possible, or flat out killing him. Certainly no guy could get away with touching, much less moving his car (unless he was awesome with mind-control powers like Andy), or shooting his brother, or stealing from him, yanno? If anything, she seems to've gotten special treatment for being a girl. As a friend put it "her character seems inversely proportionate to Dean's coherence." It bugged me that she got away with as much as she did, and was STUPID about it. Like, why would you sell the colt when you KNOW it could be the only thing to save you from your deal? Why would you need to steal from people and sell it when you were rich off some inheritance? Why would you wait until the last possible minute to break down and ask for help? the plot and character holes are ASTOUNDING. She's sneaky and bitchy, but as far as character goes, and ESPECIALLY as a female... I'd appreciate someone a little smarter about things.

My favorite non-demonic sociopath would probably have to be Kubrick.

I think I probably just took out some frustration... I've been getting a little fed up with the assumption that because I don't like someone and she happens to be female, that makes me some crazy rabid fangirl bitch. A LOT of people assume that, you're not the only one.

< /sharing corner >

See, now I am completely eye to eye with you, though it's five thirty am for me and I cannot be as coherent as I want to be. Why am I still up.

I was just talking with

rocknload (who is basically my SPN fandom, since I don't really even touch the main one) about what you were saying! She is not a Bela fan, though she's okay with her. And something she said really struck me: "I actually tolerated Bela a whole lot more when Dean started hating her consistently and absolutely. Because Dean would and should respond like that, and once he did, everything was okay for me! When she died, he obviously felt bad for her, but he still hated her."

THAT is pretty much what I see as your problem with her in a nutshell, and yes, I absolutely agree with you that was a problem. (And slight misunderstanding on my part there - I thought you meant how soon she'd be gone in the sense of how soon the fans would bitch her character off the show, more or less.)

Her stupidity seemed like bad writing to me, mostly, and I was thus still able to view her as pretty awesome in potential; she's not the only victim of that in the show. I mean. My god. Look at poor Sam and Dean in Long-Distance Call a couple of weeks ago. YOU CAN'T REALLY BLAME THEM FOR THAT SHIT. I attributed it mostly to Kripke trying to be cute with her character; I was actually terrified right up till she died that she was going to end up a martyr with some ~deep emotional connection~ to the guys or something, which would have been a horrible maiming of a perfectly good hot crazy scheming psycho bitch. Her death was actually pretty cool for me in that regard, just because it DIDN'T try to make her a good guy. I can definitely see your point about wanting a smarter part for her, though, and I have to say I agree to an extent - I'd have loved to see what she did in the hands of better writers.

I don't think Kubrick was technicallly a sociopath, which is a term mostly used in conjunction with antisocial personality disorder with symptoms pretty nicely described here! He was just plain NUTS, and very cool for it - I liked him too. If even GORDON thinks you've got a few screws loose, you know you're on the right track!

When you don't provide a lot of context for your opinion, that's probably going to be the normal reaction. It's stupid and must be seriously frustrating for you, I know. But considering the fandom you're in - I've SEEN the things people say about Cassie and Jo - it's not really an illogical assumption from someone that doesn't know you. Though I apologize again for assuming. :/

[yay, sharing]

a perfectly good hot crazy scheming psycho bitch
That's one of the things people would cite as a reason they liked her, that she's hot and the actress seemed cool, which seemed SO HYPOCRITICAL to me! You're (not "you", but generally) yelling at me for hating her because she's female (when you don't know my reasons), when you LIKE her because she's HOT?! WTFS!?

I'm not sure her weird departure was entirely on "bad" writers, it was severely shortened by the writer's strike and I REALLY don't think that her being in a crossroads deal was part of the original plan (because Kripke is usually pretty careful about things lining up, and that whole thing just made NO SENSE). I think they had to hastily tie up her character, and that was one way to go.

Eh, I forget technical titles for things. Maybe I'm thinking more along the lines of psychopath.

Yeah, it's late for me too. 3 am. Insomnia is fun!

I figured the shorter the better, because overexplaining kills it for me. At least for the funny ones. Actually, people attacking me without knowing has opened my eyes, and I'm a little more careful now as well. =o]

Hm, I can see their point though, as her hotness is not really a separate part of her character? She uses it like a weapon; it's probably one of the stronger ones she's got, aside from total amorality. So I can see her hotness being included as part of the liking-Bela package! Though it could just be fandumb too, who knows.

True enough. It was still more of an external wtf issue than the character being portrayed as stupid, in my eyes at least? That was the point I was getting at in any case...

I'm pretty sure he's not a psychopath either! YES I KNOW I AM NITPICKING TERMS, bear with me. It is a thing of mine. He was obsessive about stuff and somewhat delustional, but I didn't think he had a mental condition.

VERY MUCH SO, though it is starting to sap my ability for discussion. It's been good talking with you! I hate to say that my original point stands, though... I'm sure at least a few people who are not you hate Bela for exactly the reasons I was first indicating. Which, to me, is sad.

It sounds like you got some interesting conversations out of it, at least~

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