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⌈ Secret Post #499 ⌋

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Haha and yet once again you're judging my character inaccurately. I already claimed that Gokudera and Hibari are possible tsundere candidates... and if you see as to how Reborn reacted towards Lal, the one thing he said is that she's very easy to read. We can see that as a harsh trainer it was out of love which can quality as a Tsundere type as well (unless this is an error in how I read Tsundere) where Tsundere is categorized as "good-willed, but its attitude and actions often contradict its nature" which could equally qualify Reborn as well. Then again he is also more well thought-out in his actions. Lal tries to hold control of the situation but in times becomes a bit of a cop-out. Yes she is trying but the way she is presented is as weaker. Okay, alternatively, Chrome is more uncertain than necessarily shy and passive. She often shows a hesitancy in her nature. Her stature and body language gives off an entirely different persona than maybe that kiss would. But even categorizing Mukuro with 'sama' shows her submissive nature. Also if you notice, she didn't care to live or die but rather allowed Mukuro to do whatever he wishes which in turn did grant her life. I didn't say she was incapable, but she gives herself a submissive position in both of the context of Mukuro and others around her. I do believe that it shows that she is gaining strength by using her ring to bring out her own developing abilities.

Also you're losing the point that they're characters which represent a social norm. If the prevailing social norm is constructed in said media it tends to permeate through society through a social impact. Therefore when females are already seen, particularly in a society such as Japan, as weak and incapable and something illustrates that, it becomes a larger problem. But I don't ask for unrealistic characters I just ask for maybe a female character I could relate to in any possible way.

There... I go again. =X

I think you're over-stretching the 'tsundere' term though. Tsunderes tend to act that way to emotionally protect themselves, not to the benefit of the people they like or respect. Like Gokudera's tsundere actions against Yamamoto. Sure, I think Gokudera respects Yamamoto in some level, but he can get really nasty with him because of his feelings of inferiority. The fact that Reborn pointed out that Lal is open and clear with her emotions is basically an anti-thesis for a tsundere, because a tsundere will not be emotionally honest with themselves and hide them with antagonistic actions until a long while after. And Reborn isn't no tsundere either, he's a sadist, through and through, but he does care for Tsuna.

I think Chrome's defensive stature is more to protect the trident, which is important for her not to let go and that it's huge for her small size so she looks like that. How she interacts with Ken, Chigusa and Tsuna doesn't show she's always uncertain, although I admit she looked a little worried that Tsuna wouldn't accept her as the Mist Guardian. To be honest, Chrome's loyalty to Mukuro is the same as Gokudera's loyalty to Tsuna. During her backstory in the Mist Guardian battle, she had resigned herself to die because there was nothing there for her to live for. Then suddenly Mukuro appears and told her they were the same and that he needed her was prolly a first for Chrome, who seemed to be a loner until that point. Like Gokudera to Tsuna, Chrome wants to pay back Mukuro for the new lease on life so she addresses him respectfully like Chigusa does. She is no different from Ken and Chigusa in that regard with Mukuro. Yes, she's submissive to him, but not cause he's a guy and she's a girl, she's submissive to him because the guy was a savior to her, just like to Ken and Chigusa and they would all die for Mukuro. And she's not submissive to Ken or Chigusa either since she address them by their first names, IIRC. She knows that how they feel about her so she keeps her distance (as shown in the Cloud Guardian battle when they were sitting on the hill).

I'm very well aware of the sexiest against girls in manga, in Japan, and pretty much every other medium around the world, but I don't think very instance that a girl is submissive (although it's more appropriate to to say subordinate) to a guy is necessarily so because of their sex. Or a tough chick who shows her emotions on her sleeves is a tsundere. That's all.

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