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⌈ Secret Post #3752 ⌋

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Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

1) Has Nicolas Cage ever played queer?

2) What Nicolas Cage performance is the least masculine, or what are some notably non-masc Nicolas Cage roles?

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

IDK if he's ever played gay but maybe Weatherman or City of Angels for least traditionally masculine roles.

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen Weather Man, but even if his performance isn't as masculine as in some others, it seems like his character is still defined through insanely masculine things - specifically, particularly masculine anxieties over living up to his father, and about his competence as a father / lover / career man.

Which is one of the things I was thinking about that gave rise to this question - how often Nicolas Cage's characters are in those kinds of positions, where he's defined around trying to prove that he can be a good parent and win back an estranged female romantic partner and stuff. It is weirdly common in his movies.

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

(SA as above)

City of Angels is a good shout though, I'll have to think about that one

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

1. I don't think so.
2. I am going to say Raising Arizona's character.

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

I think I really should have elaborated on what I meant by masculine. That's on me.

His character in Raising Arizona is definitely comedic and goofy, so not masculine in that sense, but also the character is still pretty tied up with family and fatherhood, so.

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT
Def should have clarified. Because, the word "father" aside, I don't see what's inherently masculine about being tied up in family and parenthood.

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

The way that it's portrayed in Nicolas Cage movies feels intensely masculine, for one thing.

It kind of came out of noticing, like I said above, how often Nicolas Cage's characters are divorced dads, or trying to prove that they're a good parent, or trying to win back an estranged lover, in ways that are very specific - it really often feels like Cage is playing characters who are specifically trying to be fathers or husbands. And even when he's not in that specific position, it feels like his performance and the way that he acts carries over - it feels to me like he's often really performing (variously fraught) kinds of masculinity. I mean, even in National Treasure, he's still centered around the most Dad hobby imaginable (American history) (this is kind of a joke and kind of not).

So I was trying to think if there were any counter-examples to that, where Cage is queering that kind of thing, or where his performance and his character aren't centered around that or defined in those terms.

But I definitely should have been more specific (and also, like I said, I'm really grateful for the responses even if they don't fit my weird mental criteria - I don't want to come off like I'm trying to prove people wrong, I just wasn't clear about what I was looking for).

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

1) I don't think so but I might be wrong. I avoid his movies.
2) His role in The Rock us more of a nerdy science guy.

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah but the movie is also about winners going home to fuck the prom queen, and Nicolas Cage proving he's man enough to be a father. So he's a little nerdy but.

I really do appreciate these responses, though! Thank you guys.

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

You seem to have some very specific ideas about what "masculine" means that are mostly, but not entirely, focused around fatherhood. If you clarify those a bit, you might get better responses.

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think Nic Cage has ever played queer. I also don't think that queer and masculine are mutually exclusive, so I'm really confused by what you're looking for.

If you're just looking for something other than "get the girl/save the world" roles, then maybe Al in "Birdy" or Doug in "Guarding Tess?"

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

Guarding Tessa is still a pretty masculine role ("save the old lady", too) just not in the weird fatherhood-specific way OP wants.

Re: Nicolas Cage

[(Anonymous)]

It's not about saving the old lady, though. It's about reluctantly bonding with the old lady. For most of the movie he's either in a sort-of caretaker role or else losing battles of will with the old lady.