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RO and TFA have also got me thinking a lot about Star Wars villains and fandom. So many people have expressed how much they hate the "choke on aspirations" line and say that Vader WOULD NEVER, but Anakin was kind of awkward so I think it fits him. People are also really down on Kylo Ren for not being a cool villain but he was never meant to be that. It just seems like a lot of the gatekeeper fans have a very narrow set of boxes for SW and when given anything outside of them, they throw tantrums. But, they also don't want more of the same. This fandom really is ridiculous.

I think most of the people who think that Vader WOULD NEVER or that Kylo should have been cool are too deeply sunken in nostalgia to even try to engage critically.
It's just, 'Oh, you think that 'I hate sand' Anakin wouldn't make a joke like that?' 'No, original trilogy only!' 'Oh, you mean the guy who chopped off his son's hand and *then* did the 'join me' speech. That guy.'
Vader is cool, but really guys, unclench.

Well, I've heard a lot of 'vintage' fans that actually really loved Rogue one's depiction of Vader as well as Kylo, but I know that some people were divided on the subject. If numbers are anything to go by, I'd say most fans love the movies.

Anakin would definitely. That was my argument when people I know bashed on the Vader pun. Anakin absolutely would.

Am I the only one who pretends that Anakin isn't Vader? I love Vader so much more when I can just have him as this dark Jedi with no backstory...

Sure, Vader can be not Anakin; from a certain point of view.

Thanks, Ben! :)

GO to bed Obi Wan, you're drunk.

You'd be drunk too if you were me, mate.

Is that the sand in your robe getting irritating, it gets everywhere doesn't it?

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(Anonymous) - 2017-04-23 02:29 (UTC) - Expand

YES. Me too. The prequels were a let down. I don't have a problem with the concept behind Anakin Skywalker, but the execution left much to be desired.

He built a monument to his own personal greatest failure, where he killed Padme, and that shows that Anakin still thinks it is all about him. His failure point, that he has to remind himself over every day because he is just that important enough to himself, is where he killed his wife and not where he slaughtered a dozen little kids or where he made a dumb decision to support Palpatine. He has to flagellate himself where he screwed up personally, and build a massive castle so that all who come to see know that he is punishing himself there.

Ego, little Ani, ego and pride; still?

I still don't get why the film identified every planet EXCEPT Mustafar.

Obviously, anon. Because they're trying so hard to distance themselves from the prequels.

This is also why there was no mention of the fact that the Death Star was originally conceptualized by the Geonosians (apparently) before the Clone Wars even began. Galen Erso definitely didn't design it (though lets be real no one person could design something that big all on their own. I'd accept that he did some engineering design work on its guts, hence his knowledge of how the exhaust port flaw would work).

This is not them distancing themselves from the prequels. It's more that they didn't spend time explaining things. They put it all in the book. In Catalyst, the Geonosians are still a big part of the building of the Death Star (until they're all exterminated later) and Galen is only working on the laser weapon, which was the one thing the Geonosians couldn't crack.

I obviously have not read the book.

Still feel like it could be distancing a bit since most of the regular movie-going audience isn't going to pick up the books. But then, they did the same thing in TFA where there was a lot of stuff that just...didn't entirely make sense without knowing stuff from the books that didn't get covered in the movie with even a throwaway line.

I was about to say in the case of Mustafar maybe they didn't name it because it was the only already-known planet so it didn't need an 'introduction'....except they totally labeled Yavin IV didn't they?

I thought that was Mordor tbh.

One does not simple fly into Mustafar.

Lol, my literal first thought when I saw the secret was "Wait, is that Mordor? It looks like Mordor but IDK that building looks kind of scifi-ish to be in LOTR."

This right here is why the Kylo Stans drive me up the wall about redemption. I read a great post that basically REALLY analyzed Vader and his whole thing and why his redemption WORKED where as Kylo will have to do A LOT of fixing things and WANTING to fix things before a redemption could even possibly work for him.

But this just adds more to Vader and I LOVE IT.

Well, there's only been one film for Kylo so far and Vader had six, so I'd just give it some time. It looks like The Last Jedi is going to set up something interesting for him.

One film or not, he's not showing ANY kind of want for redemption or good. BECAUSE we have the previous films to go off of, we don't have Kylo as that faceless machine that Vader was. We have the opposite. We see a human man who is going the opposite direction Vader. Vader started off faceless and we get that spark of humanity.

It's why the Kylo stans just piss me off because these people have obviously not seen the rest of the film series or even touched one of the books.

There are multiple reasons why Kylo is hated and it's not just for killing Han.

I don't know where I saw it, but I saw somethign discussing details of the movie and it made a comment that it was not so much that Vader built his fortress there as the Emperor told him to do so, because that location kept him close to the Dark Side.

That's pretty interesting if true. I can't wait for them to release more BTS content for Rogue One.

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