[ SECRET POST #3763 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3763 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

and there's one shady gay character who never has sex

I feel like this argument would have weight in a show that has explicit sex scenes like Game of Thrones (which of course has a gazillion male gaze-y scenes, while Renly and Loras get one piddling little scene that only has implied sex), but everything in Downton is chaste to the point where even the straight characters barely have sex, or even make out.

Also, Penny Dreadful was awful and fell apart in season 2. lmao at someone implying that it's "diverse". Ethan and Dorian's moment getting cut off just as it's beginning amidst all the explicit heterosexual sex scenes sure is progressive and different, huh?

[(Anonymous)]

(Same person, log in is borked)

Thomas is clearly written as the Evil Gay at first and someone literally dies having sex in the first episode. Admittedly there's only so much interest I can have in a show about how the upper classes are absolutely fascinating so I didn't watch into the later series where perhaps things improve on the Thomas front. Given Julian Fellowes is proudly regressive it would be a bit odd though.

I wasn't referring only to male gay characters in my examples, but period dramas that aren't the sort traditionally produced by the UK for the last 20 years. The industry has a festish for upper class costume dramas because they sell, and many are great. But it's only over the last 5 years or so that I've seen more shows with a range of classes, races, sexualities, roles for women outside trying to find a husband etc etc. There's a much wider context in this country for period dramas than just how entertaining they are.

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Also for the record I actually never watched the final episode of Penny Dreadful because I was so pissed off with what I heard happened, so I'm not saying it's a paragon of virtue. It's just not Jane Austen. (Who is well and good but a girl needs variety.)

[(Anonymous)]

Thomas does eventually improve and has pretty understandable reasons for why he does the things he does. A jerkass woobie, if I ever saw one, though the jerkass part fades around season 5.

The Turkish dude who dies was probably the only part of the show that involves heavy makeouts and overt sexuality, anything else on the show is just implications.

[(Anonymous)]

And honestly, Pamuk's visit to Mary's room bordered on rape. He shows up, dares her to resist, to scream, taunting her to say anything, knowing she doesn't want to risk her reputation......and she ends up throwing her arms around him. So rapey. I'm glad he died, except that it caused Mary, Anna and Cora no end of shit.