[ SECRET POST #3768 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3768 ⌋

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Comments

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't say that's true on anything except an atomic level. Something resembling or simulating something does not make it the same as that something.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

But who's to say it will always be a simulation? You? Then maybe you're just simulating emotion, yourself.

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[(Anonymous)]

I think the "well maybe YOU'RE not real" argument is pretty useless. I know I'm real because I'm me, and I can take a pretty good guess that others similar to me also have similar experiences. I have no reason to think a robot does.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

But why do you extend that guess regarding consciousness-experience-emotion to another person, but not to a robot which was advanced enough to act like a human to the point where you couldn't distinguish them by their actions?

What is the actual difference that you can point to which justifies the belief that one of those things is Actually Existing and the other is a simulacrum? What's the criterion that makes one of them Actually Exist when both produce the same actions and outputs?

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

This is what I'm asking. How do you know what you're experiencing isn't just some simulation? Like, how do you know we're not just a Sims game for someone else? How do you know what you're experiencing isn't just programming in a computer? Because you FEEL you don't? Because you're you? That's a non-answer.

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[(Anonymous)]

Simple. Because a human (and other animals) are organic life, and a robot isn't. I know we have independence, agency, and emotion, because I have it. I don't look at my microwave and wonder what it's feeling, and I'm not sure why make a much more complex microwave will magically make it any different from the base microwave. It's inanimate, end of story.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

That's like an alien looking at a dish of mold and concluding that all organics must be like the mold.

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[(Anonymous)]

Well, first, my question still is: what specific characteristic of organic life makes it distinctly capable of those qualities? From my point of view, organic life is basically one specific subset of physical systems, and I can't identify any characteristic of that subset which makes it uniquely capable of attaining those states.

Second, you keep making this point about microwaves and Furbies, and I really think it's incorrect. On the one hand, no one is saying that a microwave or a Furby actually is feeling emotion. They are extremely simple machines and there's no reason to suppose they feel emotion. On the other hand, I have no idea why on earth it should be the case that a more complex microwave couldn't feel emotion. After all, from a certain point of view, a human being is merely a much more complex version of algae. The point is that, in organic systems, we know that above a certain point of complexity, there are organic organisms which do have feeling-emotion-agency-volition, and unless you have some specific account of why organic life is distinctive in this way, it seems like it should be the same with inorganic systems. Stop making the dang point about microwaves.

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[(Anonymous)]

This whole discussion kept me thinking about this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0KTUysrwgQ

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[(Anonymous)]

Um, there are people out there right now pushing the limits of programming and computing to try and make programs that are self-aware. If they succeed, the program wouldn't be simulating consciousness. It would just be conscious of itself.