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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-04-28 07:06 pm

[ SECRET POST #3768 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3768 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-04-29 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
This. This is exactly why I brought up "specialness." Because, when you get down to it, humans aren't special and there's really no spiritual value inherent. Even in the most spiritual person, there are human lives that are worth less than others.

It reeks of not understanding where emotion and consciousness even come from. They're basically electric currents firing off in the right way.

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(Anonymous) 2017-04-29 12:34 pm (UTC)(link)
You are the one who frankly doesn't understand where emotion and consciousness come from. "Electric currents firing off in the right way" in an identifiable organic nervous system. Emotion and consciousness are complex concepts that are extremely difficult to define, but we know we have them, it's reasonable to assume that other animals have them, too. There is zero reason to assume artificial intelligence is capable of this, period, and that even if it simulates emotion, it's in any way like what we consider actual emotion.

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(Anonymous) 2017-04-29 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I am NAYRT but I am the poster who AYRT was responding to (the one who made the post beginning "I don't know why we're talking about specialness"). I hope that's clear.

Anyway, what is the actual meaningful connection between the organic-ness of a system and its capacity for having emotion and consciousness? Like, what is the specific reason why organicness is important for having emotion and consciousness?

Because unless there is some specific reason, it seems to me that what we know is that emotion and consciousness arise out of specifically structured physical systems. I can't see any reason why organic-ness is an important quality in terms of those structures attaining those states. Therefore, it seems to me reasonable to suspect it's not distinctively organic. What we have is a system of responses and systems and out of that arises consciousness. Neurons (it seems likely to me) are merely a medium in which those systems and responses and messages take place.