[ SECRET POST #503 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #503 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 83 secrets from Secret Submission Post #072.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

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[antialiasis.livejournal.com]

Wait, what? Since when did Richard Dawkins have anything to do with philosophy? He's a biologist and has never pretended to be anything else. If you took The God Delusion as a philosophical work, you are the champion of missing the point. If you take atheism in general as anything having to do with philosophy, you are also missing the point.

It's probably his worst book, yes (there is a couple I've yet to read), and personally I found the 'Ultimate 747' argument that was the core of the 'disproving God' part of the book to be intellectually unsatisfying since it is all too easy to just wave it off with the easy assumption that an omnipotent God could just as well create himself, but to criticize it for not being 'real philosophy' is just plain bizarre. It never tried to be philosophy in the first place.

Re: 29

[(Anonymous)]

If you take atheism in general as anything having to do with philosophy, you are also missing the point.

I am not the OP but I feel the need to interject here. George Santayana needs to choke a bitch. When you argue about the existence of God, you cross into the realm of religious philosophy.

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[antialiasis.livejournal.com]

But atheism, or at least Dawkins' idea of it (which should be what the OP is referring to here), has absolutely nothing to do with rejecting the idea that God might exist. That's exactly the point. You're philosophizing when you start forming an opinion about the existence or nonexistence of beings that by definition cannot be proven to exist or not exist. Dawkins isn't trying to do that, which is why his atheism, as well as mine and that of most or all other atheists I know, has nothing to do with philosophy. The argument is that we have no reason to suppose God is likely to exist and thus we ought to treat the concept the same way we treat the concepts of fairies, magic and the Flying Spaghetti Monster: assume by default that God probably does not exist and live our lives in that assumption until we have a good reason to suppose otherwise. This is not philosophy, or if you want to call it one it is a philosophy which all of us already apply to billions of fictional concepts that technically cannot be proven to be nonexistent but we assume to be so anyway. Basically, if it's a bad philosophy, he's not the one to blame for it.

The rest of Dawkins' argument against God revolves mostly around countering the idea that the concept of God is necessary in order for the complexity of modern life or for morality; he argues this purely by arguing for the power of Darwinian evolution in accordance with his field of expertise. Again, no philosophy there. His book incidentally also counters a couple of old philosophical arguments for the existence of God (Pascal's Wager and the ontological argument, both of which are such obviously terrible logic that I cannot possibly believe the OP is referring to that) and points out that the various 'first cause' arguments do little more than postulate some unknown, vague something and call it 'God' without being able to give it any of the properties modern religions assign to this being.

So I'm not sure where exactly the OP's supposed philosophy is in all of this. The little there is to it that could at all be called philosophy is so simple and self-evident that I really can't believe it's what he's referring to.

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[kaatsu.livejournal.com]

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[kateorman.livejournal.com]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy