[ SECRET POST #3778 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3778 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Why does it bother you that people want to read the book this way?

[(Anonymous)]

It's racial appropriation.

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck off

[(Anonymous)]

I've never been fond of Humpty Dumpty. Words means what they mean, not what you want them to mean. You want your headcanon for her to black, that's great. You want fanfiction, casting and whatever else to have her as black, that's great too. But don't retcon the book.

Casting a light-skinned black or biracial actress is a way of having your cake and eating it too.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that anyone is saying that black!Hermione is what JKR had in mind when she was writing the books. The most that people are saying is that it's interpretable from the books (with the exception of this one line), and that it's a cool idea. It's not a retcon, it's an alternate interpretation.

[(Anonymous)]

You can't ignore what's in the book to create an "alternate interpretation" unless it's purely your own headcanon. It says her face was white. Is it within possible that she was light skinned - black or biracial? I still think that's a retcon, but at least it's not a physical impossibility - because she sure couldn't look like Noma Dumezweni.

[(Anonymous)]

This is the one line in the book that describes it. as canonicity goes, it's hardly a cornerstone of the entire edifice of Harry Potter, and I stand by my statement that it's interpretable from the books with the exception of this one line.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I like to ignore facts that don't fit my interpretations too. Makes things ever so much more convenient.

Not to mention that I was replying to the first person who responded in this thread who wrote "You've never seen light-skinned biracial, half-white/half-black people have you?"

And I wrote, of course I did, so that's who you should have cast.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

You really want your white Hermione, don't you.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

They can't get it up for her otherwise.

[diet_poison]

Why does black Hermione bother you so much?

I agree she was written a white, but you sound really bothered by this...like how dare people have headcanons and share them and try to make them mesh with canon? Who is it going to hurt?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt, but as someone who give no fucks what kind of racebending/genderbending/whateverbending people headcanon, it drives me up the fucking WALL when people make a huge dramatic deal about how their headcanon is TOOOOTALLYYYY CANONNNNN any anyone who disagrees is an evil racist. I don't care about racebent Hermione in fanart or fic or whatever. Some of it is super cute, and I actually like racebending/genderbending fanart in general because it's interesting. What irritates me is how people are going around policing fandom to insist that she's absolutely 100% black in book canon and getting pissy if anyone says that isn't objectively correct. She's canonically black in the play (I am assuming that the actress was cast on purpose), but the play ain't the books.

[(Anonymous)]

i really don't think anyone is saying that ITT or anywhere else that I can find

The strongest case that people are making is that a black Hermione is not inconsistent with the books. No one is saying that the books specifically present a black Hermione, or that JKR envisioned Hermione as black when she started writing the books. No one is saying that you have to prefer a black Hermione or envision Hermione as black. What people want to argue is that it's easy and reasonable to picture Hermione as black, and that doing so is reasonably consistent with the books, with the exception of the single line about her face turning white. And JKR, apparently, happens to like the idea even if she didn't come up with it. That's the point that people are making: that when you approach the text as a text, the idea of Hermione being black is largely compatible with the text. It is a valid construal of the text (with the exception of the one line that JKR forgot).

Where there are arguments from my point of view is where people insist on Hermione being unambiguously and explicitly white, and especially when they overstate the reasons for thinking so. Or where they seem to take a weird glee in the existence of the line about Hermione's face turning white with fear, like OP does. I don't know whether I'm "policing fandom' right now, but that's what the grievance is from my point of view. It seems weird for people to insist that much on the significance of the line about her face turning white in a massive literary corpus.

[diet_poison]

Who is actually doing that though??? I think you're reacting to a phenomenon that does not exist here

[(Anonymous)]

People trying to bully artists who don't draw black Hermione, or Indian Harry, for example. And it's happens a lot in other fandoms as well.

[diet_poison]

Ok, assuming you are the same anon going back to the beginning and middle of this thread - first you were complaining about people "retconning" the book and before that complaining about Hermione being cast as white and implying it means nobody can interpret her as black as though movie casting is an indicator of book canon.

Now you're complaining about a phenomenon that probably happens somewhere out there because fandom is awful but doesn't actually happen here and what's specifically being talked about is the fact that some people headcanon Hermione as black and try to make it mesh with canon - not insisting it's canon to everyone else, but headcanoning, and daring to talk about it, which people do with things all the time. This conversation was never about people insisting it's canon.