[ SECRET POST #3782 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3782 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Lord of the Rings, Glorfindel]


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[The Simpsons]


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06. [SPOILERS for Erma]



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07. [SPOILERS for Guardians of the Galaxy 2]



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08. [WARNING for talk of suicide]



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09. [WARNING for rape]




















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Last episode made very clear that she didn't manipulate or force him, Aida did nothing wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

No, AIDA claimed she didn't manipulate or force him. A confused, devastated Fitz bought that argument. Just because a character says something doesn't make it true. Let's remember she put him in the Framework without his consent in the first place, and everything she did in there was designed to get her desired outcome, including twisting his real feelings and experiences in a way so he would be committed to helping her. We can argue whether something that (presumably) happened in a virtual world can be called rape. We can argue whether AIDA would be able to tell the difference between right and wrong. We can even argue the ethics of creating AIDA in the first place. But objectively, her actions were wrong and certainly manipulative.

Ugh, I know this secret is trolling, but I can't just ignore it.

[(Anonymous)]

I also think it's worth noting that, unlike Fitz himself, AIDA/Ophelia /knew/ she was in the Framework, had all her memories of the real world with her and therefore could use her knowledge of what real world Fitz is like to insert herself into his life and become important to him -- they apparently met at the Academy and it seems likely to be that AIDA basically inserted herself 'in place' of Simmons and then went from there. So even if Framework!Fitz did fall in love with AIDA she was still in a sense manipulating him and misrepresenting herself to him (because the 'Ophelia' he met in the Academy was just AIDA, presenting herself as a regular student when she's not and she knows it, and the only reason she was even there was specifically to get close to him all with him having absolutely no awareness of this). And if they did have sex in the Framework, it was with AIDA again knowing full well that the real world Fitz is trapped against his will in the Framework and has had all his memories forcibly alerted. The functional equivalent of 'I gave him a computer roofie that reset his life' does not equal consent, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, which clearly demonstrates she was lying and did indeed manipulate him. According to her and Radcliffe, her imperative was to fix one regret for everyone (in Fitz's case, his dad). By inserting herself into his life (and arguably by being an entity within the Framework at all), she was going beyond her programming to get something else that SHE wanted. When it's clearly obvious that she is not held to the constraints that she claims she is, then nothing she says can be taken at face value, including the claim that everything Fitz did was by his own choices in altered circumstances. (I mean, not that we can ever take a villain's statements at face value, anyway.)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry darling but if person A stalks person B on Twitter and Facebooks, learns what person B likes and uses that information to woo person B, that isn't rape.

[(Anonymous)]

DA - Nothing sells an argument based on false equivalence like a condescending nickname, sweetie!

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Fitz admitted Ophelia was his world in the framework.

His framework!self honestly loved Ophelia and that isn't even completely gone in the real world (YMMV), even though he isn't in love with her in the real word.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that AIDA raped Fitz - she was not responsible for or controlling his decisions in the Framework, and she didn't fix things so that he would have to be in a relationship with her. She just put herself in the right place at the right time and things developed naturally, with Fitz's input too. And, Jemma doesn't seem to blame Fitz for being in a relationship with Ophelia in the Framework - she's distressed by him killing people and worried for his mental state and safety. And so is he!

[(Anonymous)]

You know it's possible to be worried and upset about multiple forms of trauma and manipulation, right? Prioritizing one over the other in a triage sort of way does not mean the others don't matter. And oh so his gf doesn't blame him for it? Oh great! No big deal then!

Also putting him in the framework without his consent makes her responsible as does setting up the rules that made certain circumstances and choices possible or even necessary, while playing on his "emotions" for her to get him to do things like build the machine or hate Jemma on sight smacks of controlling or manipulating his choices to me. Her admission that she introduced herself into his life because she wanted to know/experience a relationship proved she fixed things so he would be in a relationship with her. So...