[ SECRET POST #3790 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3790 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I don't believe I said it wasn't a major issue? The reason why OP gives for wishing people wouldn't use they/them is because they're so often written badly, not because the terms are always or inherently confusing in and of themselves. OP makes it clear that there are contexts where they/them works.

[(Anonymous)]

OP does say there are contexts where using "they" as a gender-neutral pronoun works. But they also encourage abandoning "they" all together - they want people not to use "they" as a gender-neutral pronoun, and they want people to consider other possible gender-neutral pronouns. This is not a wish for greater clarity in writing. This is not OP asking for people to be careful. This is OP asking people not to use "they" as a gender-neutral pronoun at all. Even if OP doesn't regard "they" as intrinsically confusing, OP still wants to abandon "they" entirely.

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure but I think you might be confusing my dislike of they/them as a prejudice against nonbinary people in general. Terminology is often changing among groups. For example, we didn't always use the term POC, but it's become more popular because it works better and is more empowering than "minorities".

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[diet_poison]

??? How did you even get that from that comment at all?

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying that your opinion is prejudiced, I get that you're just talking about the terms. And I do agree that we can talk about which terms are better or worse and obviously there are arguments on both sides.

With that being said, I guess that one of the reasons that I'm being so emphatic about my position is because the sense that I get from NB people is that in general they do strongly prefer using "they" as a gender-neutral pronoun compared to any of the other alternatives, and I think that counts for a lot.

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[(Anonymous)]

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It's true, it's very common, but how many of them are writers? Pronouns aren't used with the same frequency in daily life as they are in a novel. I can see a new gender neutral pronoun set going over better with editors and publishers than they/them as nonbinary identifying people become more common in literature.

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[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT: Yo, I'm non-binary and a writer, a bunch of my characters use they pronouns or otherwise. And yes, sometimes it can be tricky establishing they in writing so that it's clear, but in my experience it's not that much difference than differentiating which 'he' is doing something in a scene. And honestly, I also feel like using 'they' so that non binary people like me can see themselves in writing is important enough to keep the pronouns in even if it takes a little work to establish which "they" I'm talking about :0