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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-05-22 07:11 pm

[ SECRET POST #3792 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3792 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-05-22 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm with you, OP.

I got nothing against it in principle, and I cheered when they made Foster!Thor over in Marvel because I thought it reinvigorated the character. But with Doctor Who, nope. I can't even stand the Missy character. I hate it and I will not watch it. I do not watch the Misyy episodes, nor the Clara!season finale for the same reason.

It feels uncomfortable to be on the other side of this one, but I watch Doctor Who to be able to tune out of this world and into a more fun one, I do not want to be dragging real world social justice wank into it. No girl Doctor for me. The character is a white male as far as I am concerned, and that is the end of it.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-22 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Man. No offense, but if you were looking for a show that was pure escapism and didn't drag real world social justice issues into it, Doctor Who was a really weird choice. I don't think that's what Doctor Who has ever actually been - definitely not classic Who, and not really new Who either.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-22 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
If it has existed it has never felt as forced as the make the Doctor a woman arguments. Fuck, that is the only fucking argument there ever seems to be about the show now. Maybe the other social aspect has just been pretty mainstream thought all along, because it sure as hell has not felt intrusive or had people demanding why I explain enjoying it. I don't want stunt casting of the Doctor as a woman for social justice wank, and the reason I know it is stupid artificial stunt casting is because little rat bastard fuckers the internet over all pile in demanding I justify not wanting it and demanding I justify the Doctor being a white male character. Go on, demand more justification, make my point again for me.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-22 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that people are too insistent about it and the conversation gets annoying but that's not an argument against doing it IMO

But, like, they asked Andrew Cartmel what his goal for the show was at his job interview to be the script editor, and he said he wanted to bring down the Thatcher government. It's a very political show.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
In the late 1980s that was hardly a non-mainstream political position, even prominent Tories were trying to bring down Thatcher's government. SO again, quit trying to make it about scoring points outwith the norm. I watch the show for fun, not to be tortured for your political point scoring matches.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
I actually agree that it would be bad if they cast a female Doctor for purely political reasons. But I also just think that Doctor Who is not a pure escapism show and a version of Doctor Who that was a pure escapism show would be really bad.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt but can you maybe chill about the fun family sci-fi show

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
maybe people would stop making an argument about it if weirdos like you didn't make such a big deal out of the idea

"hey this character could be female" should not be as controversial a statement as it is

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
It is if you are changing something central to an existing show, it isn't if you are casting a new show.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
Why is the Doctor being a white male so central to the show, though? He's been old and young, so it's not like him being anything beyond the Doctor has ever been solid.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
NAYRT

I feel like the Doctor being male is sort of central to his being, and I don't know how to explain why I feel that way. I wouldn't care if he wasn't white (or wasn't young, or wasn't old), and while I'd still watched if they made him female to give it a chance, I'm just personally attached to a male Doctor.

I know it's not logical, but there you go.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
+2

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
Different anon. I feel the same. I could get behind the Doctor being a different race but for some reason to be the Doctor being female isn't quite the Doctor anymore.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 08:41 am (UTC)(link)
you know it could be interesting if you tried to examine that bias.
now I'm not going to go armchair on you because i don't know enough about this topic to do that, but what do you think a woman would lack that the man brings? in what way would a woman change the show that the other incarnations haven't? how would she change the character?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Inherently she shouldn't. But to me that's part of my point. Making the Doctor female should not change anything, so why do it? Just because? When you could write a whole new awesome character instead?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
+1