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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-05-22 07:11 pm

[ SECRET POST #3792 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3792 ⌋

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Re: DA

(Anonymous) 2017-05-22 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope. Not reaching. Why shouldn't a little boy be able to lionise the same character his dad, heck, even his grandad did? The character has history, and that is part of it.

Re: DA

(Anonymous) 2017-05-22 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like there's two very different arguments here that you're conflating.

The first one is "Little boys need role models now more than ever".

The second one is "Little boys deserve to be able to idolize the same characters that their fathers and grandparents idolized in mostly the same way."

Neither of those seems particularly true, and they also don't seem to have any relationship to each other

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
That isn't what you said

Stop moving the fucking goal posts because you got caught in a lie

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
What are you on about? Boys need role models. Having a role model that they can share with other significant men in their lives and bond over is a wonderful thing.

Little girls can bond over Wonder Woman with their moms. Especially since there's new media out. Boys can have the Doctor.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
And thus it was passed into World Law that Wonder Woman and the Doctor would be the only heroes any child in the world would be allowed to idolize, forever and ever, amen

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Oh do get over yourself.

Just out of curiosity, what do you feel gender swapping the Doctor would do for the character? Because other than , it's about time, I've not seen a single coherent argument.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
I'm more agnostic on it than anything else. I think there are actresses who could do a good job with the character but really I mostly think it doesn't matter that much and if someone wants to go and make that choice, I'm interested to see what they do with it.

What I'm really arguing against is the people who say that casting a female Doctor would be the end of Doctor Who and they'd never watch it again.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
So you are arguing for something you don't even give a shit about, just to make a point?

Until you came along the SJW who wants a female Doctor for a Female Doctor's sake was just a strawman argument. Dammit though, you've now proved it isn't. Well done.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
So you are arguing for something you don't even give a shit about, just to make a point?

I'm arguing in favor of a position I believe (it doesn't matter much whether the Doctor is male or female) against a position I strongly disagree with (the Doctor being female would be bad, the end of Doctor Who, cats and dogs living together). Don't see what's strange about this.

Until you came along the SJW who wants a female Doctor for a Female Doctor's sake was just a strawman argument. Dammit though, you've now proved it isn't. Well done.

I just said I didn't want a female Doctor for the sake of a female Doctor

in fact, that's exactly what you were yelling at me for in the other part of your reply?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
Your argument was they need role models more than ever like there's a lack of them, not that they needed role models their dads had. So stuff it and quit moving the fucking goal posts because you're reaching now.

The only one who needs to get over themselves and their head out of their ass is the sexist moron I'm talking to who's reaching for any argument they can and changing it when they get caught.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
You seem to be taking this very personally.
What have you got against young boys and the significant men in their lives sharing a role model and bonding over it?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
I don't. But you changed your fucking argument and that pisses me off.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
You have a low anger threshold. Have you considered therapy?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
You overestimate your own ability to make logical arguments. Have you considered thinking harder?

(DA by the way)

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
Wonder Woman? Ick.
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[personal profile] thewakokid 2017-05-23 06:53 am (UTC)(link)
No, wonder woman has in the past been wonderful - not a pun, just seemed like the beat word - True, here writing has been pretty garbage these recent years, but stil
Let's not write off the character.
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Re: DA

[personal profile] philstar22 2017-05-23 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
And Little Boys can't lionise a female character? Girls are expected to be able to relate to male characters because they are much less often given characters like them to relate too. Why can't boys deal with the same thing?

Re: DA

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
You sound like you're stuck in 1970. They are more female characters out there than ever.

Re: DA

(Anonymous) 2017-05-23 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Says the person arguing that the Doctor is the ONLY role model out there for boys and is SO DESPERATELY NEEDED.