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[ SECRET POST #3803 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3803 ⌋

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09. [WARNING for discussion of rape]
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I've never been able to get into this movie either, OP.

I don't particularly care for the rape scenes element of it either, to tell you the truth.

But other than that I don't agree. It is slow, yeah, but it's just so fucking atmospherically and tonally and aesthetically outstanding and intense. You have to be into that style to like it, I think.

+1. Like most really great movies, it's absolutely not going to be to everyone's tastes. And that's fine. All the "YOU MUST SEE THIS OR YOU CAN'T CALL YOURSELF A SF FAN" hype is very off-putting.

I always liked Bladerunner, but then I generally do like moody, atmospheric movies, I like noir/cyberpunk, and I like stories about robots/AI and their relationship with humanity. Bladerunner also has some stunning iconic imagery, and Rutger Hauer as Roy Batty. I mean, I can pass on Deckard and more or less every 'relationship' in the movie myself, but I do love the genre, the atmosphere and the imagery.

I suspect its one of those movies where you have to be a bit predisposed to enjoy it?

You're not alone, I thought the movie was dull. I couldn't bring myself to care about anyone, and the film noir thing only exacerbated it. The only things good about it are the visual design and the ending.

I feel that way about a lot of other Ridley Scott movies. Scott ain't so great himself, but he finds some amazing talent to work on his films, which is why they're always at least notable. Alien had people like Sigourney Weaver, Moebius and HR Giger. Their contributions were what made that movie such a success.

i know what you mean. In addition to what you mentioned I also hate the business with Daryl Hannah killing that guy by beating him in the head with her crotch. Think the filmmakers had the teeniest issue with women?
P.S. Dark City is a better movie

........beating him with her crotch? I have no clue what scene you're talking about (unless you mean the scene where Priss is on Deckard's shoulders, holding on with her thighs, and trying to twist his head around?).

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tabaqui - 2017-06-03 02:35 (UTC) - Expand

LOL what??? I've never seen this movie, and that is making me judge it.

She didn't hit anyone with her crotch. I'm baffled at this comment.

The Daryl Hannah one seems a little more thematically justified by the fact that the character is a pleasure robot

now, if you want to argue that they shouldn't have had pleasure robots to start with, that's fair enough

Wonder if sex bots being around makes it more difficult for real women to get male attention, but that's a whole other issue.

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I've heard that it's a classic but I've never felt the urge to watch it, but I am a lot harder to grab with more sci-fi stories so that'll be why I reckon.

Give it a chance. It's really *pretty*, and the music is amazing. Something to have seen, anyway, even if you don't finish it or like it.

It's one of those things that I mean to give a watch but then I'll unintentionally put it off for something else and then months go by before I remember to try again. It's dumb but if I'm not super drawn-in by something it can take ages for me to get around to it(this is why friends gave up recommending shows to me, lol).

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I took a sci-fi novel class for one of my English requirements in college, and we watched this movie after finishing Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. Literally no one in my class liked the movie. Not sure if it was because we went straight from the story to the movie (even though we all knew the movie wasn't supposed to be the story on screen), or the class just happened to be full of people who weren't into that style of sci-fi, or what. The whole movie was just so flat and dull to me. I mean yeah, some of the visuals were kinda neat, but...meh? I've seen plenty of other sci-fi movies with neat visuals that grabbed me more than this one did.

At least it gave me a couple hours that day of not having to take notes during a lecture.

i haven't seen blade runner although i DO kind of still want to, but i did watch an interesting video about some of the overrunning rapey themes in a few of harrison ford's movies, you might be interested!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWoP8VpbpYI

Ah, but you probably haven't watched whichever of the five million extended/director's/alternate cuts that makes it good!

Or so I'm told by fans of the film.

I always liked the book better tbh

Spooky, I finished watching it a week ago with much the same impression. I liked it aesthetically but otherwise fully agree with you. The rape scene was the most egregious of its kind that I've seen. I don't get ravishment fantasies or the slap-slap-kiss trope, but usually I can kind of see what they're going for. But here his angry face and the door slamming, plus his knowledge that she's not "really" human, made me completely unable to see it as remotely sexy or romantic or sympathize with the rapist character any further. I don't think that was intentional.
Also lol at the person going "she didn't hit him with her pussy you guys!" A woman squeezes a man's neck with her upper thighs. That was absolutely what they were going for.

FWIW I've also heard that philosophically and plot-wise it's very much stuck in its own time, and that kind of cyberpunk doesn't translate to 2017. It must have come across as a lot more interesting in the 80s.
Oh, and I forgot to mention: I found the homophobia just as off-putting as the rape. Yeah it's an 80s movie, but that doesn't mean I have to excuse or enjoy it.

I agree that it probably wasn't intentional for it to be unromantic and violent. But I think there's probably a coherent reading of it that brings it into line with the rest of the themes of the movie as an unromantic scene. Because the question of that relationship between human and inhuman, and the use to which the replicants are put as inhuman, and really above all, the existential injustice and exploitation involved in assigning the replicants the status of inhuman and using them as tools - that's at the thematic center of the movie to me. So that fits in with the rape scene the same way that it does with Pris' and Roy's basically revolutionary violence.

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Yes to all of this.

I was actually shocked by how egregious the ravishment/rape scene was. Usually with ravishment scenes (which this seems to have been meant to be), the man's physical demeanor is depicted as more impassioned than full on aggressive (which IRL is not a particularly valid distinction, but in fiction can be pretty valid I think). And usually the woman's body language and expression in the scene are orchestrated to imply desire (again, not a valid defense IRL, but can be valid when interpreting fiction). Yet in Blade Runner, everything about the scene felt rapey; there was basically nothing that implied consent. Deckard seemed angry and physically threatening, and Rachael seemed very frightened and sad. Add to that the bit where she's utterly disenfranchised, running for her life, and knows that he could easily change his mind about killing her, and it's just like, HAHAHA NOPE FUCK THIS.

I just watch a video that analyzed exactly that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWoP8VpbpYI

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