[ SECRET POST #3810 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3810 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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08. [WARNING for discussion of rape]



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Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[fscom]

09. [WARNING for discussion of rape]
http://i.imgur.com/cZoNKdY.jpg

[philstar22]

What parts of the fandom are resistant to that? If my part of the fandom talks about what she went through, rape is almost certainly involved in the conversation. But then again, my side of the fandom firmly believes that rape as a form of torture was used by both Melkor and Sauron as well as the orcs. We already know they torment people, so why would they stop before using one form of torture that can be very effective? It only makes sense to me that every possible means of torture would be used, including rape.

[(Anonymous)]

Weelll... there's an argument that involves this quote by Tolkien:

... there is no record of any among the Elves that took another's spouse by force; for this was wholly against their nature, and one so forced would have rejected bodily life and passed to Mandos.

Implying that if Celebrian had been raped, she would've passed to Mandos, so the argument that because we know she didn't, she wasn't raped.

[(Anonymous)]

Laws & Customs Among the Eldar is hotly debated in the fandom, though. Since it's presented as an in-universe essay, many fans choose to challenge its, uh, scientific merits.

[(Anonymous)]

On the one hand, I can see why people would challenge the "scientific merits" of an in-universe text about elf sexuality.

On the other hand, I think probably 90% of the reason people question it is that it ruins people's ships, fantasies, and most porn involving elves unless you're really into married couples trying to have kids.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a lot of gender role stuff in there that some people don't take kindly to as well. Tbh Laws & Customs always struck me as sounding a bit like elven propaganda, so I can see why fandom, which is all about making stuff up and filling in the blanks, would be resistant to the idea of taking it as creed.

[philstar22]

This is true. Also, there are so many different versions of things in Tolkien. Since that particular piece isn't in the Silmarillion itself, whether or not it is considered canon (or even what is considered canon) is an active question in the fandom. You can't take all of the Histories as canon because there are multiple versions of stories that contradict themselves.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

On the one hand, people seem to skip that most of the major works about Middle Earth are quite deliberately given provenance with a translator who's known to be dishonest on at least one point (Bilbo Baggins.)

On the other hand, I have few doubts that Tolkien's wish fulfillment sexuality regarding elves might be, in its own way, as ridiculous as McCaffery's Tent Peg Sexuality.

[philstar22]

There was a post a while a go that I found very convincing explaining why that quote doesn't mean that. I'll see if I can find it, but it was from a few years ago.

[(Anonymous)]

This argument really only applies to elf-on-elf action, though, because sex is this amazing sacred lifelong bond between them. It doesn't apply in this case even if you do take it as true.

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't Tolkien say/write something to the effect that elves would just "die" (well, leave their body and go to the halls of Mandos) before someone could rape them? I could see why that would make people think Celebrian wasn't raped, even if the orcs did use rape in some cases.

[(Anonymous)]

Wasn't there that one infamous fanfic about it? Maybe it'd be to yur tastes, anon!

[(Anonymous)]

please link? lol

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my sweet summer child! Don't!

[(Anonymous)]

It's called "Celebrian". I can't find a link right now, but googling "Celebrian fanfic" should at least get you started.

[(Anonymous)]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010423131650/http://www.greyarchive.com/Celebrian.htm

[(Anonymous)]

I just wish there was more fic for it.

Have I got a fic for you.

[thewakokid]

I dont know what this is but i do so like the way you think.

Nice art, too. Source?

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, are you another elf-rape fetishist?

[thewakokid]

Surprised?

[(Anonymous)]

There are literally dozens of us! Legions!

--Azog

[(Anonymous)]

http://liigaklavina.deviantart.com/art/Imprisoned-178032615

Not the OP, but I recognized the artist because I used one of her works for a secret of my own not that long ago. She's amazing.

[thewakokid]

Danke, sweetness!

And yes, very nice art!

Edit: Some of these are goddamn haunting.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh, most people I know seem to think she was raped. Certainly, it's almost always mentioned when her torment is mentioned. I've actually seen (a long time ago) some fans bemoaning how they couldn't get away from the idea.