[ SECRET POST #3815 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3815 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

But...why? How did this ever come about? Why would you obsess on something that you actually haven't any knowledge of or watched or read????

[(Anonymous)]

NA I wonder the same. It seems so pointless.

[(Anonymous)]

I mostly wonder if those essays were officially marked uni/schoolwork and if so, what marks they got because surely, someone must have noticed?

[ayebydan]

my thoughts,

[(Anonymous)]

It's actually pretty easy to fake it if you listen and are decent at putting puzzles together. I got a BA in English Lit merely by showing up to class and listening to the discussions. I didn't read any of the actual literature. At the time, I was a silly teen and it was somewhat of a game - how little do I have to do to maintain my GPA. Now, I regret not taking it seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

Anthony Burgess is just that charismatic, that people will passionately write about his work without even having read it. I can believe this. I've never read A Clockwork Orange either. I think I've seen a wee clip of the film once.

[(Anonymous)]

Humblebrag?

[(Anonymous)]

Your teachers must have been idiots. How the ever-loving FUCK did you write anything without knowledge of the source material?

(Yeah, I'm judging, hard. The movie makes me cringe (and the book is brilliant up til the BS ending), but I'm glad I experienced both at least once.)

[(Anonymous)]

+1. WTF teachers?

Also loved the book. Hated, hated, loathed and despised the movie.

[(Anonymous)]

You'd be surprised. I once wrote an art history paper where about a 1/3 of it was 100% bullshit and I still managed to get an A. 🤷 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It all depends on how well you write and how lucky you are.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT,
Sure, most of us probably have done that, 33% BS is different than 100% BS.

[ketita]

I'm wondering, too. Like, did they not demand citations and quotes from the book...? wtf.

[(Anonymous)]

I know you can BS some papers by making an argument using subtext to support personal interpretation so long as you have a solid argument. But yeah. How you can do that without a lick of knowledge about the actual book or movie is baffling.

Likewise wtf@those teachers. You'd think they know enough about what their assigning/approving of to realize wait a minute something is wrong here.

(Also why is it always A Clockwork Orange that attracts these types of people?)

[phantomas]

I feel very strongly that you could have spent an hour and a half to watch the movie/a couple of days reading the book BEFORE writing any article/paper etc.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm utterly baffled that you couldn't spend an hour and a half watching a movie that you seemed to have spent many times over writing about.

But for the record, the movie was utter shit, and I WANTED to like it.

[(Anonymous)]

But.... Wha, how??? Especially since the film explicitly contradicts the meaning of the book because Kubrick hated the last chapter and thus the whole meaning of the story to begin with. Your teachers must have never read the book either because that's the only explanation I can come up with as to how it slipped by unnoticed.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol you sound like me and everything I recommend without trying myself. I always sound knowledgeable. I should work in advertising.

[(Anonymous)]

Or: your self insight is utter shit. The people you're surrounding yourself with are either idiots themselves, too embarrassed on your behalf and/or pitying you too much to tell you.

How disingenuous of you.

[(Anonymous)]

I know there are ways to figure out storyline and plot points outside of reading/watching, but if I was going to write an actual paper on the book or movie, then I would read or watch, even though I don't like the plot of either or Kubrick's work. I've never read the book or watched the movie, but I know a lot more about them than I would like to through cultural osmosis - a lot of people discuss both in articles and conversations about other movies and books.

Re: How disingenuous of you.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, and "cultural osmosis" is a fantastic term. There are a number of popular books/films that I've never consumed, but I have a pretty decent picture of the ins-and-outs of them from fandom; still, I wouldn't put money on me being able to write a decent paper on them. That takes some skill, I guess, and some pretty oblivious teachers.

Re: How disingenuous of you.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yes, you can pick up a lot just from hearing about something, but you will have a much shallower understanding of it than someone's who has read/watched it (though sometimes, people have a very shallow understanding of something they have actually watched or read, myself included, because they didn't engage much with the material).

I'm not sure how much I can blame the teachers, high school teachers are often overworked and sometimes have over-crowded classrooms, and sometimes in college, TAs are responsible for grading and they've got their own work and might be working with memories of the material from when they read it a few years before, and if a student hits the major plot points and writes thoughtfully, I can see them assuming the student actually read the book. (Disclaimer: Both my parents were teachers (retired now) and I grew up in a school community with teachers as neighbor, so I'm pretty protective of them. Yes, there are terrible ones out there, I've even had a few, but most try very hard to teach and do it well, even if they don't succeed.)

[(Anonymous)]

I kind of ship you with the person who turned in their fanfic to their creative writing class.

(Unless you're the same person. Which would be awkward.)

[arcadiaego]

That's...pretty impressive, to be honest with you, anon. I can see how you would be worried about it living up to your expectations, but it genuinely is a VERY good movie. I also think you seem to have got a good handle on the themes so I don't expect it would contradict you or anything. On balance you should probably go for it! I found the book so difficult I literally had to read it out loud, but if you want to truly understand the effect of the language I think you do have to give it a go.

Also, given the film's release history I suspect you're probably not the only person who has done something like this. And I'm kind of surprised that the other comments are so, well, surprised. There's plenty of movies and books whose influence and themes I could talk about while never having actually seen/read them. I myself knew pretty much the entire narrative and background of A Clockwork Orange before I saw it. (It was still the mythical "banned" movie until I was around 17.) I personally wouldn't pass my insights off as actual marked papers, but hey.

[(Anonymous)]

Could've just watched or read the damn thing.