[ SECRET POST #3818 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3818 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Twin Peaks]


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[Parks and Recreation]


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[The Grand Tour, Richard Hammond]


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(character from the movie The Babadook)


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[The Mummy (2017 reboot)]


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[Kemono Friends]












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Comments

[illiadandoddity]

I won't refer to a specific person as “queer” if that’s a label they do not wish to have applied to them, but let’s not pretend that the word is somehow more fraught with baggage than any of the other terms that could be used.

Every single term that can be used to describe non-cisgendered or non-heterosexual (or both!) individuals can be, and has been used as a slur, and has had to be reclaimed by us. AND QUEER HAS BEEN RECLAIMED BY THE QUEER COMMUNITY FOR DECADES. I read “Queer Science”, I saw the “Queer Studies Classes” in college and the majors in Queer Theory.

Every time someone says “queer is a slur, you shouldn’t use it” I feel like they’re trying to fucking gaslight me. Because they are. Do you know who the driving force behind the "queer is a slur movement" has been? Radfems. Ten years ago, they were driving themselves into a frothing rage over the fact that a very large number of LGBTQIAP+ youth were describing ourselves and our communities as queer uncontroversially. Because radfems hate, hate, hate that queer is a term that is fully inclusive, even to identities that may not have been discovered or defined yet. They are a group of people whose ideas revolved around gatekeeping the community and their precious selves being the arbiters of who gets in and who stays out.

These exclusionary groups (which aren't ONLY radfems, but they make up a large percentage of them) quickly realized that they weren’t going to be able to demonize the word in the eyes of Gen Xers or people at the older end of the Gen Y generation in the community, because we’d either contributed to the work of reclamation or spent our whole fucking lives in communities where queer was a badge of pride. So they skipped the older queers, and starting telling fifteen year olds on tumblr that queer is a slur, and preying on the younger people who don't know their LGBT history.

So I can only assume that you are either one of those people who is exclusionary and wants to decide who is qualified to be in your little club, or you are one of those young people who desperately needs to take a queer history class.

[(Anonymous)]

Radical feminist here and none of that boatload of assigned prejudice applies to me, thanks.I use queer if people want that tag, acknowledge genderfluid and trans people and am about as inclusionary and intersectional as all get out. What was that about slurs being used to demonise a group?

Assume - the most dangerous word there is.

[illiadandoddity]

Calling yourself a radical feminist and then being offended when someone points out that most of the people who call themselves that (or at least, the loudest most publicly known part of that group) are transphobic and exclusionary is like when someone who calls themselves a fundamentalist Christian gets offended that people will think they're homophobic and anti-science. YOU might not be, but a huge subset of the group you're aligned with is.

[(Anonymous)]

"loudest most publicly known part of that group"

Empty pots making the most noise, you mean. And anyone who voted for Jeremy Corbyn is a doctrinaire Marxist. Sure. A 'huge subset'? You asked 'em all?

[(Anonymous)]

"ideas revolved around gatekeeping the community"
…take a good and hard look at these words and try to get what they mean. Or, congratulations as a successful troll.

[illiadandoddity]

So you don't think gatekeeping is an issue when in the general comments we've got some shithead saying that asexuals don't belong in the community?

[(Anonymous)]

I think you appear as the most fanatic gatekeeper here and it ruins your argument. The way you talk about radfems, queer community, Gen Xers, Gen Yers, generalizing older and younger... If you know so much about LGBT history, haven't you learned anything from it? Chuck those narrow boxes, dammit!

[(Anonymous)]

what a fucking joke

can we talk about how offensive it is that you're not only saying those LGBT people hurt by the slur queer are "gaslighting" you? or that trans people who object to being called queer are now in the company of transphobic radfems? newsflash: there's a large group of LGBT people who object to being called queer who are not abusive, who aren't out to "trick" 15 year olds, and who have valid fucking reason not to want to be called a slur.

good lord, get over yourself

[illiadandoddity]

What a fucking joke. Can we talk about how the irony of you saying "get over yourself" in response to someone saying they feel like they're being gaslit has gone completely over your head, because that's pretty much what gaslighting is?

Also, I didn't say that all the people who say who say queer is a slur are transphobic radfems, I said that transphobic radfems are behind the sudden and extremely strong attempts to once again make queer a word too dirty to use, when it had been so thoroughly reclaimed that it's the term we use for ourselves in academic circles.

Most of the people who say that because they don't like the term for themselves no one should ever use it are young people who have been taken in by arguments written by people with an exclusionary agenda. A lot of the people who say you should never use this word don't actually mean any harm, but they are still harming people by telling them that the all-inclusive term the queer community has used for itself for decades is now an evil oppressive word.

[(Anonymous)]

fucking THANK YOU. where the fuck did this "q-slur" bullshit even come from? like three years ago, i had never seen anyone object to the term as a blanket for the community, and then all of a sudden it's like 'don't use this term that has been 100% reclaimed, because it used to be a slur!'

emphasis on 'used to be'. straight people, if they wanna insult the community, call us 'gays' or 'trannies', queer used to be a word they tried to hurt us with, but how much does that happen anymore? queer, these days, is almost exclusively used as a self-description by queer people.

and you're right, it DOES feel like gaslighting when people are like 'THAT WORD IS BAD, NEVER EVER USE IT'.