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I don't remember there being a thread about it, but then I also haven't been the most online lately (mostly dropping in for a few comments then vanishing).
Have any of you read it? Thoughts?

I couldn't get through it - it was kind of terrible, and especially depressing in light of what we actually got. Even more depressing is that I could see myself being satisfied by it if it had come out 10 years ago, and I had no expectation for anything better...

If you want to read it and weep, have a go

Is it confirmed to be real or not? Or is it a hoax?

It real.

It's been a bunch of days, and I've not yet seen anybody calling it fake. I think it's real. Which makes it all the more depressing.

Thread:
http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1631156.html?thread=962899892#cmt962899892

Lotta denial. Little bit of gloating.

Ha. I will go look! Thanks.
Though if people still want to talk about it, I'm up for it :)

I haven't seen Wonder Woman yet, though I'm hoping to do so sometime later this week. Everyone I know who's seen it has assured me that I'll love it. Frankly, even if I end up thinking it sucks (which is unlikely), there's no possible way it can suck as much as Joss Whedon's version would have. Good fucking grief, what a giant, steaming pile of sexist garbage. And I just LOVE how the initial description of Diana has her being barefoot. Because of course she fucking is. He wouldn't be Joss Whedon if he didn't shoehorn (pardon the pun) his foot fetish in somewhere.

I made it as far as the scene where Diana calls for trial by combat before giving up. I could probably write an entire fucking book about how sexist and trite those first few scenes alone were. Like how much of a condescending jerkass Steve is to Diana, or how Aethra says that half the Amazons' prayers were probably answered by the sudden appearance of a MAN. 'Cause, you know, penis.

I can tell you, having seen the film, that all of these gross things in the script absolutely DO NOT happen in the film.

Ugh the penis-worship drove me crazy. Yes, because the first thing Diana and her GF/partner say to each other on screen is BUT WHAT ABOUT HIS PENIS. So much rage.
Whedon's entire script is basically about Steve. Diana is a sidekick/love interest in her own film. It's awful.

There's also a scene later on where Diana does "sexy dancing" and the guys all stand around drooling. Because of course. Basically, it's Mansplaining: The Movie and ugh ugh I raged so hard at that script.
It honestly made me want to go watch WW again just to wash it out of my brain, but I'm not sure if I can justify the expense on my budget XD

What helped me with it, yes the actual movie is sexualized as hell. It's just sexualizing dominant, competent, self-assured women and not submissive women. Take Cell Block Tango from Chicago and make a movie mostly out of that vibe.

If I'd gone in with the "Oh it's so nice, there's no sexualization at all!" I'd have been very confused by Diana's high heels and all the titty armor and panty shots. But when panty shots are coming because an Amazon is backflipping off a horse with a spear it's much more entertaining.

In all fairness, while Diana's costume is sexy, I don't remember the camera doing much in terms of "male gaze" shots. I don't think it raked up and down her bum or breasts, or shot in a way to mimic a guy checking her out.

And the male love interest was the one between them that actually got naked. So it just didn't feel all that female-exploitative, despite the costume.

Nayrt

Yes, exactly! There were no "Here is a shot of someone's ass for no reason" shots (actually, not 100% sure there was no ass shot of Steve... will need to see again... for research purposes).

Also, this sounds crazy, but the amazon costumes were not as revealing as one might expect. Yes, you see (muscled) thigh and shoulder in abundance, but very rarely a midriff and basically no cleavage. Collar bones and such, yes, but not the boob crease. And yes, the thighs are seen in wide shots and amazing action stunt shots, not "Here is some thigh for your enjoyment" shots.

That's the thing, they all had purpose. But there was a LOT of panty flashing.

http://www.thesocial.ca/getattachment/TheJessFiles/%E2%80%8BHere%E2%80%99s-Jess-on-Wonder-Woman-(NO-SPOILERS!)/dianatrains.gif.aspx

http://robinwright.org.es/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/2016-07-24-wonder-woman-1.jpg

It just wasn't lingered on and it doesn't feel as creepy when it's not a submissive panty shot.

i haven't seen it, but from the sounds of it a good comparison would be the washing scene in fury road

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