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fandomsecrets2017-06-18 03:31 pm
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[ SECRET POST #3819 ]
⌈ Secret Post #3819 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 40 secrets from Secret Submission Post #547.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: confessions
Do you think I'm lying? Do you think I'me stupid and have been taken in?
No, I think you're engaged in bullshit and have been taken in by bullshit. The distinction there is that liars know they're lying but bullshit says whatever it thinks is most convincing.
I disagree. I don't think you need to go to the far end of a fart to cricize somthing. "This upsets me, My identity is not dead, my identity is what keeps you in a job, so screw you" may not be deeply thought out, but I do still think it comes across more as criticism than an attack. here we may be getting into semantics, tho, so I'm happy to agree to differ on this one.
If you read the articles, you would know that your identity as a market segment is not what keeps game developers employed anymore. The games industry now covers people of all genders from 5 - 85. North America is no longer the biggest market. Mobile worldwide is generating as much revenue as desktop and console gaming, and in a few years, the top mobile games beat out the best MMO and MOBA in revenue. And then, we have Generation Z coming of age in another few years. I'm a gamer, you're a gamer, my 90-year-old cousin is a gamer, and my pre-teen nieces and nephews are gamers now.
All of this is a good thing for games. After all, a healthy Hollywood produces both "chick flicks" and superhero stories. What's dead isn't the hobby or the medium. What's dead is the assumption that games are limited to the same marketing demographic as $5 razor blades. (All of which, was explicitly stated once you got past the clickbait headline.)
And "grow a quad," Wako. A hobby isn't worth shit without at least one article in circulation declaring it "dead" as clickbait. Just in my circle, punk is dead, religion is dead, lisp is dead, comic books are dead, and best of all irony is dead.
Re: confessions
I don't think you're ever going to see that people on my side had valid points that made our involvment feel necessary, or that we were not the borg that could be represented by a monolith of GAMERGATE, or that we were all saying the same thing and believed the same thing. I don't think you'll ever believe that people like me were in it for different reasons that is commonly believed. You think I am being, what, accidentally disingenuous? I'm really struggeling with the idea that you can be a bullshitter without being a liar. I don't think I need to, I promised I wouldn't get offended, and I swear I haven't, but it does leave me feeling rather like there's not much point in trying to change your mind on this. That was my end game with this. "I was in it for my own selfish reasons that had nothing to do with identity politics or harassment or bullying, and had everything to do with keeping my media, the media that affected my personal life the most, keeping that honest and stopping in from attacking me. Convincing you of that was my end game, and I just don't think I can. And I'm more quite sure what your end game was, but if you think you got a shot at a win, I suggest playing it before I go to bed.
I will correct one misconception, tho:
If you read the articles, you would know that your identity as a market segment is not what keeps game developers employed anymore. The games industry now covers people of all genders from 5 - 85. North America is no longer the biggest market. Mobile worldwide is generating as much revenue as desktop and console gaming, and in a few years, the top mobile games beat out the best MMO and MOBA in revenue
When I said "My identity is responsible for keeping you in a job" I was not identifying myself as a male, or as young person, or a white person or a straight person or a cis person. I refere, as ever, to the only identity that matters to me, the one I choose, the identity of a gamer. Nor was I referring to games developers, I was talking to the games media outlets that declared the gamer identity to be not their audience.
I don't know where the idea that I was telling game devs that "Cishet young white males are your primary audience, so stop making things for other people and cater to MEEEEEE". I was telling games media "My identity is gamer, and gamers are the only people who care enough about games to read games media. We are not dead, we are the people who are your ony market."
Re: confessions
Most people caught up in pyramid schemes like Amway honestly believe in what they're selling. The problem is that what they're selling isn't all that honest. Or take for example, climate change denial or a great deal of tumblr.
To explain my bias, I work with people who came out of the games industry: AAA, indie, and mobile. The articles you consider "attacks" were not published in response to GamerGate. They were published because people inside the industry are having hard conversations about how to diversify their market beyond the "gamer" demographic of white guys 18-35 with disposable income.
All of which was explicitly said in the articles in question. And all of which is something that most gamers who were not trying to pick a fight understood.