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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-06-23 06:58 pm

[ SECRET POST #3824 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3824 ⌋

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(Bill Cosby and Keshia Knight Pulliam)


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[personal profile] thewakokid 2017-06-24 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
How do you mean exclusive? Like my reading of it is not "you can't enjoy it", I don't think I ever said that, but if I did, that's not actually mt reading of it, it's more "It's ours not yours, much more ours than yours so enjoy it in the way we say... by not using the type of language that you use for all your white heroes". Like "This ball is mine, you can play with it with me, but never forget it's mine, so don't kick it as hard as I do".

White people don't get to claim it as being about and for white people, as being exclusively theirs. That's what it's saying.

That could be what it's trying to say, but I'll be honest, having read it a few times to fact check for these responses, I really do think that's being fed more by what you'd like it to be saying. You could be right, but that just reads as so far away from what is actually written that I just don't see it.

I don't think anyone is saying that you can't like Black Panther.

Agreed

They're saying that he is a black character founded in black experiences and you can't erase that from his character

Disagreed. Sorry, see above that could be what they're trying to say, but there's just not enough clues in there for me to make that leap or to believe that that leap is what they were going for. If that is what they're trying to say, I would agree, I think we're on the same page. If you wrote this post I think I'd agree with you, but as it's written I still stnad by my interpretation of what they were driving at and I disagree with that.

You're captain america analogy makes sense to me, but that's just not what Iim seeing in the origional post. Like they use the words "Your white favs do not belong in Wakanda... in meta...in headcanons... in fics. Like to me, following your cap / british analogy, that would be "Cap can not have british people in his story, because he's american.

Who the hell is trying to say Captain America is black because of Isaiah - which was a damned interesting story, but in no way does that mean that Steve Rogers is black - and Eli even further removed from Cap! I don't want to show that I am surprised by fandom, but really? This is a thing people are pushing?

(Anonymous) 2017-06-24 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I think this is mostly at the point of agree-to-disagree, so I want to respond to one thing here and then I have some thoughts on Watchmen in the other post and then I'm probably going to leave it be

You're captain america analogy makes sense to me, but that's just not what Iim seeing in the origional post. Like they use the words "Your white favs do not belong in Wakanda... in meta...in headcanons... in fics. Like to me, following your cap / british analogy, that would be "Cap can not have british people in his story, because he's american.

I read that bit as a clumsily-phrased extension of the point being made about making black pain into plot points for white favs - basically, as both being part and parcel of the same argument about white favs. So how I interpret that is saying, not that the twain shall never meet, but that you shouldn't use Wakanda as nothing more than a backdrop for stories about white favs. Which I don't think is unreasonable, but maybe you don't agree with the interpretation, and fair enough. But that's where I'm coming from with that.
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[personal profile] thewakokid 2017-06-24 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I see where you're coming from. And yeah, I don't read it like that at all, but also, yeah, I'm happy to agree to differ on this one.