[ SECRET POST #3825 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3825 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/eo8HLpN.png

[(Anonymous)]

The show where everyone was at least bi-curious?

You must have hung out in a crummy corner of fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Judging by the parts of the fandom I saw, neither Jack nor Ianto were bi, and how dare you suggest they were anything other than completely gay.

[(Anonymous)]

The wrong in this statement is acutely painful.

[(Anonymous)]

DA.

Got to disagree. The Torchwood fandom was really bi-phobic and loved inflicting the 100% gay or 100% straight labels on characters.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Canon was that everyone was bi. The fandom when I was in it didn't seem to like that or acknowledge that, though.

[(Anonymous)]

And here's me thinking it was the most sexual liberated fandom I had ever participated in. So many kink challenges. Omnisexual Jack leading his merry team into one sexcapade after another while protecting Cardiff, sort of.

How different experiences can vary.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

This was my experience of the fandom as well.

[digitalghosts]

Was only active in appreciation of such in various LJ comms so seen similar.

I do wonder if Rhys and Andy were also somehow not fully straight :P . No idea on specials cast but they were ... something else.

I did see few people insisting Jack was gay after the last installment but that was it.

[(Anonymous)]

I know I've seen Andy hooked up with men before. And there were a few pair the spare Rhys/Andy post Gwen type stories, though I couldn't suggest any titles off the cuff.

[virtual_lips]

Also my experience of the Fandom.

I mean people had their OTPs (mine being the one pictured), but that didn't mean that "we" didn't understand and acknowledge the completely canonical sexualities of the character or characters in those pairings. Reading and writing exclusively about your favored pairing doesn't make someone bi-phobic or mean they're erasing any given character's bi-status.

[(Anonymous)]

Same.

Most of the fic I saw/read/wrote didn't dismiss the fact that Ianto loved Lisa, for example.

That was a great fandom for threesome fic, woot. Jack/Ianto/Gwen or /Tosh? Yes! Jack/Rhys? Why not?

[(Anonymous)]

...

That's just bizarre.

"You people and your labels," etc. etc.

...IKR?

[(Anonymous)]

Don't even get me started..

...I've barely even watched this series and even I know that's the entire pile driving point behind the entire character.

Some stupid stans inability to do anything other than deny the inherent narrative and character design and scripting...

I'm all for tinhatting if it's all fun and games, but when the fandom as a whole looks like that, it really robs me of the will to participate.

Sigh. Signed, Goldilocks anon looking for the perfect fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

that's my experience with fandom in general tbh. everything is either gay or straight. even if a character had a het relationship in canon then were either experimenting and actually gay, or straight.

this might just be me, but i always feel like bi is just not queer enough for fandom. like declaring a character bi is a cop-out when you want to get brownie points for stanning queer representation.

[(Anonymous)]

Bi isn't queer enough for the queer community in general, though. Or at least it wasn't the last time I made an attempt at being part of said community.

[(Anonymous)]

i haven't really tried to be part, so i can't speak on that.

[tabaqui]

THIS. You're either passing, or you're just boring/lying because you 'picked' the opposite rather than same sex for your long-term or even short-term 'ship.

I dunno wtf people want with bi people (me) at all.

[(Anonymous)]

that's my experience with fandom in general tbh. everything is either gay or straight.

I feel like this is a very YMMV thing.

The main slash fandom I've been in is BBC Sherlock, and while Sherlock tends to be characterized as gay, John (even before Mary was introduced) has always been far more often characterized as bi. I also spent a while in the Suits fandom, and while Mike tended to be characterized as gay, Harvey was far more often characterized as bi.

[(Anonymous)]

could be, my most recent fandom is overwatch and bi people do not exist in that universe, except sometimes to handwave how widowtracer makes sense

[nightscale]

I definitely feel like it depends on the fandom, I've been in some where bi headcanons for characters are completely rejected, it's 100% gay or gtfo. And others where there's a bi headcanon for a character that's widely accepted(MCU Steve Rogers for example).

And at least in the case of my fandoms with actual bi characters in the canon most people in the fandom respect that and don't try to make them 100% gay(exceptions exist ofc).

No love is as pure as gay love, didn't you know?

[(Anonymous)]

Me, too. I can't tell you how many times in my fandom the OTP character's ex-wife is pawned off as a "beard"; he's really gay gay gay and this is the first time he's ever been in love, too, btw.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

And hey, it's not a fandom anymore unless there's at least one sideblog devoted to the thesis that bi Ianto is homophobic.

[(Anonymous)]

Off topics, but I don't know how they get homophobic from Ianto's statement to his sister that "It's not men. It's just him." There were no statements about him "struggling" with his attraction to Jack (which I guess one could interpret as homophobic gay panic). He was totally accepting of it.

(Geez, someone can be bi without being smack in the middle of the Kinsey scale!)

[cbrachyrhynchos]

No, I mean a sideblog dedicated to the idea that "headcanoning" Ianto as bi is homophobic.