[ SECRET POST #3825 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3825 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Or at least, very rarely are male characters dumb specifically to make the heroine look more competent, clever, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

It happens to villains a lot, big dumb brute male villain with snarky snappy female heroine, but rarely to the other male heroes or good guys.

[(Anonymous)]

I think big dumb villain vs. snarky, snappy protagonist is a general theme whether the protagonist is male OR female, so I'm not sure that's the best example.

[(Anonymous)]

I find that it happens much more often when the hero is less physically strong than the villain, which happens more often to female heroes than male ones.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehhh. I mean David vs. Goliath is one of the earliest and oldest stories we have of a small hero vs. a big strong villain and it's a whole trope.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DavidVersusGoliath

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying it doesn't happen to male heroes? I don't know where you're getting that idea from. Male heroes get that and a whole bunch of other tropes. I'm saying the weak but smart vs. strong but stupid happens way more, proportionally, to female characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Mostly because female protagonists are rarely portrayed as physically strong, or if they are, they're still relatively weaker than men. But I'd argue that there's a lot more work featuring heroes vs. villains than heroines vs. villains, so my guess is that it happens more to male heroes more often simply because that's a larger group, statistically.

[(Anonymous)]

Um, yeah, that's why I said proportionally. I'm not sure what you're arguing against.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I missed the "proportionally" part, which wasn't in your initial comment and only added later.

[(Anonymous)]

I did say it happens "more often to female heroes than male ones"? As in, there's a higher chance of this happening to female heroes than male ones? I thought the proportional part was clear there, but maybe not. /shrug

[(Anonymous)]

"Happens more often" is very different from "happens more often proportionally". With the latter, you're speaking of relative terms, where in the former there is no such qualifier.

[(Anonymous)]

I... understand what relative terms are, yes. But I thought it was a general given, considering there are a ton more male heroes than female heroes in sheer number. I don't understand how interpreting it as "there are more female heroes in sheer number that his happens to than male heroes in sheer number" would have made any sense in this context.

"Being the magic spellcaster and not the physical warrior happens more often to female heroes than male ones." Obviously I am talking proportionally there even if not outright stated, considering the number of male wizards and magicians who are characters who I am sure outnumber female wizards in sheer number? Who would interpret this as me claiming that the sum of female wizards outnumber male ones? Like, what?

[(Anonymous)]

I thought that male heroes outnumbering female heroes was a given, too, but I don't (and frankly can't) assume that whoever I'm talking to on the internet makes the same assumption. So when someone says a thing "happens more often to female heroes than male ones", it sounds very much like they're claiming there are more total examples of the trope in female protagonists than there are in male protagonists. It was, perhaps, less clear than you intended, and there's nothing wrong with that. It happens.

[(Anonymous)]

Right, which is why, given the context of having a meta discussion on a fandom community that talks about feminist issues and female characters all the time, and this not being "rando on the internet anywhere"... like, context...

I don't think there's a point to this though. See you.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, but to me you are a rando on the internet. I don't know you. It would be foolish of me to assume that you're aware that male protagonists outnumber female protagonists and that when your absolute statement actually carries with it qualifiers that you haven't stated in your original response.

I don't think it's reasonable or realistic to expect someone to assume that of you, or to somehow decipher things you haven't written. I certainly don't expect that of you! I've already noted my misunderstanding of your argument, but you seem unwilling to acknowledge that a misunderstanding is possible or reasonable. That's weird, so yes, we can at least agree there is no point to continuing this conversation.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
Out of curiosity: How long and how many shovels full of dirt did it take you to make this high a mountain out of that small a molehill?

[(Anonymous)]

shut up nerd