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[Teen Wolf, Derek Hale]

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[Sidney Crosby/Evgeni Malkin, NHL]

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[Joss Whedon's leaked Wonder Woman script]

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A lot of the Watergate era theories came true, the ones about government overreach, rightwing attempted takeovers, human rights abusing, corporate powergrabs, and creepy military worshiping surveillance cultures.

Not just those. A lot of big current news stories start as crazy conspiracy theories. Like "Russia rigged the election." Did they? Didn't they? Right now it's still just a wacky theory, maybe it'll be proven right or maybe not.

One explanation of conspiracy theories is that stem from actual truths and experiences that mainstream/conventional narratives refuse to acknowledge.

So, for instance, the Kennedy assassination conspiracy is bullshit - but it comes out of a sense that the American power structure is willing to do awful things to maintain power, and that the intelligence services and military were doing terrible secret shit, which is true.

If Kennedy hadn't been essentially dying from Addison's disease already then I'd give some credence to the conspiracy theories surrounding him, but there was no need for any opposing interest to do anything more than wait. He was always going to be, at best, a one term president just on health grounds.

Also, the US government really benefits from playing up the wacky conspiracy nut angle.

If you can imply that genuine criticism is even faintly similar to a conspiracy theory then it is a good way to silence that criticism, at least in the short term.

That dynamic certainly exists.

But at the same time, a lot of conspiracy nuts really are conspiracy nuts, to put it crudely.

I've never heard conspiracy theories explained that way, but that makes a lot of sense. Okay, you've just blown my mind, nonny.

Like, of course people would feel that an America that had been manufacturing constant wars would also manufacture 9/11 to keep those wars going. Or that these dodgy food and drug companies would use toxic GMOs to make the populace sick so that people have to buy more drugs. (i'm not entirely clear on what the various GMO conspiracies are). And a govt that does shit like Flint would certainly also put chemicals in plane contrails.

If you lived in Latin America in the 1980s then it was also "America tried to rig the election" which was proven correct pretty much instantly afterwards when American paramilitaries invaded and set up right wing dictatorships whenever the rigging did not work.

Russia probably wanted a certain outcome, and certainly used social "hacks" but it wouldn't have worked if Trump and Hillary had not basically been as stupid as they were in their campaigns.

Yeah, that's what I lean towards. Russia didn't win the election for Trump. Half the country really did think he was fucking swell, and they still do. (And who knows if Russia's govt actually wanted Trump to win, anyway? Maybe they were banking on anti-Russia sentiment to push Americans to vote for Hillary and it didn't work?)

The problem we have currently with the internet is that it's almost impossible to know what is true and what isn't. News sources can be as dodgy as 'some random dude on twitter said that Trump has cancer!' and how do you know if anything is legit? I'm sure if I looked right now I could find both evidence of Russian-linked voter fraud, and also plenty of sources debunking that.

Of course, this makes it the perfect environment for crazy conspiracies to thrive.

But Russia rigging the election isn't and never was a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy fact!

Obama came out about it in July 2016. He was pretty straightforward about what was happening.

Edited 2017-06-27 00:49 (UTC)

Are we talking interference with voting machines or just spreading bullshit rumors? Because we know Russia did the latter, but that isn't rigging an election. Swapping out ballots, interfering with voting machines, assassinating candidates, those are rigging an election. Just like America has done in the past. But talking a load of bullshit is not rigging an election.

Google is your friend

So you don't really know then, do you. You just are repeating a talking point you heard but you don't know why or what it is about. You've made an allegation, it is up to you to substantiate it.

Was that when he said anyone who thinks that there was an attempt to predetermine the election results (aka the election had been decided in favor of Hillary Clinton) was nuts?

Because hello Mr 180 degree turn around.

The latest Washington Post article about it talks about the hacking and public release of key DNC files and the social media campaigns, but specifically says that the Obama whitehouse found no evidence that they tampered with the vote.

ETA in case I wasn't clear since apparently I'm having problems tonight: If there is actual widely-accepted evidence that they tampered with voting machines or sent out a legion of Russian spies with fake IDs to vote for Trump or something, fine. But I don't consider rumor-mongering and hacks to be "rigging" the election.

Edited 2017-06-27 01:22 (UTC)

I dunno. With 20% of the tweets possibly coming from a bot farm in Georgia (the country, not the state), well-timed releases of data obtained from DNC computers by Russian state hacking teams, and aggressive social-media astroturfing including call centers posing as American conservatives to spread fake news, voting-machine tampering didn't appear to be necessary in an election that was damn close in a few key states.

https://arstechnica.com/staff/2017/06/its-time-to-teach-people-online-self-defense/#p3

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