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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-06-27 06:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #3828 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3828 ⌋

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Re: Favorite Villains

[personal profile] philstar22 2017-06-27 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Eh. Personally I thought that until I read the Silmarillion. But different character interpretations are all part and parcel of the Tolkien fandom. So much stuff to work with, so much room left to explore.

Re: Favorite Villains

(Anonymous) 2017-06-27 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

That's part of the problem. If you've written a villain that's only compelling to people who read the supplementary material that was compiled and published posthumously and was probably never actually intended to see the outside of your trunk, then you've written a bad villain.

An interesting villain needs to be interesting in the actual text, not just in the author's worldbuilding notes.

Re: Favorite Villains

(Anonymous) 2017-06-28 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
He tried to publish the Silmarillion but it got rejected. So it wasn't never meant to be published.

Re: Favorite Villains

(Anonymous) 2017-06-28 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
I would argue that an interesting villain wasn't necessary for LOTR and not a failing. The true conflict is the one Frodo fights with himself. Sauron is just a means to set up the conflict. I think Sauron is more in line with a natural disaster - something that the characters need to overcome but doesn't need its own motivation.

Re: Favorite Villains

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2017-06-28 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
This.

Re: Favorite Villains

(Anonymous) 2017-06-28 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
I have read the Simarillion and it just made him more one-dimensional to me. Luthien kicking his ass was cool though.

Re: Favorite Villains

(Anonymous) 2017-06-28 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think he's very interesting while Morgoth is still around (and again afterward, when he gets to run the show) but in Akallabeth he pulls off a fantastic scheme that brings the Numenorean civilization to ruin from the inside, and I do enjoy that kind of brainy, long-game villainy. Sauron in his tower-building, dark-lording phase is at his most boring.