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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-06-27 06:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #3828 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3828 ⌋

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Re: You asked. Here is your TL;DR response.

(Anonymous) 2017-06-28 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
I feel that a heads up about engaging with the film in a racist manner, or showing concern that this will happen is legit. I share that anxiety. I also feel what the letter writer is doing is about a few hundred steps beyond that and they're coaching the language of [sacred] in the language of anti-racism because that is a good way to get people in that particular sphere of social media to do what they want. Does that make sense to you?

Sure, it makes sense. I just really don't think the letter is saying that. Or, if it is saying that, it's secondary - maybe the letter strays into that territory on occasion, but most of it is more reasonable and in line with the kind of genuine anxiety you reference.

And I think the general reaction to it at least on here basically takes the parts where it goes too far, amplifies those 1000x, and then acts like that's representative of the letter as a whole and Tumblr and fandom and the whole dang universe, and that's no good either.

Re: You asked. Here is your TL;DR response.

(Anonymous) 2017-06-28 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
I can express my anxiety about a thing without shooting off my mouth telling people how they can and can't engage with a film? I recognize I don't have control over that? They may have made a mistake, but it's out there now and for good or ill, people are going to react to it. And it might not be representative of all or even most of Tumblr's userbase is thinking, but this kind of conflict keeps happening over and over again because that's where fandom is right now, and activism and purity politics is a thing right now, and fewer people are willing to put their happy fandom time at risk by pushing back; I don't necessarily blame them. It could be happening on DW, it would've been happening on LJ if we were all still there.

So I'm thinking and I'm not sure where my lines are drawn, but they're definitely well before the kind of statements that went into the letter because this behavior doesn't scan as anything resembling reasonable to me. That was a display of acting out by someone that is anticipating a hard time, that is kinda sensitized to this stuff, and has chosen to throw shit first. I am sympathetic to the feeling and experiences that likely lay behind it, I get it, but I still won't co-sign the action, it's still not right to me.

And I think the general reaction to it at least on here basically takes the parts where it goes too far, amplifies those 1000x, and then acts like that's representative of the letter as a whole and Tumblr and fandom and the whole dang universe, and that's no good either.

I don't think we're too far off of agreement on that one--that was basically what pissed me about it to begin with--the assumption that this was representative on the part of the OP, the letter writer, AND a good part of the rest of FS, when I strongly disagreed with it. I think it might be a good jumping off place for someone to express the idea in a manner that isn't so completely warped by anxiety over-the-top and controlling, though.

This conversation though, this was reasonable. I know I've babbled on for a while. Thanks for hearing me out, Anon.