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Disney wants directors who can give them consistent average unexceptional Star Wars-type product that all feels the same

that's their prerogative as a company although I personally feel it's a bit of a waste as a fan

Yep. They want them as middling as most of the MCU. Which, eh makes 'em money.

Makes them money and makes coherent movies which are not a standing joke. You hear that Hasbro? Is the money enough to keep letting your properties be a joke? Disney can make megabank on a consistent house style which is coherent from movie to movie; why can't you, Hasbro?

I wholly admit to enjoying the GI Joe movies but yeah...they're not good.....

I was thinking more of the Transformers movies because I cannot be objective on the GI Joe movies. There is literally nothing that could make me like them.

Wait.

No, there is one thing. They can call them "Action Force" movies. Then I'd let them be bad or good on their own terms.

That may be true. But I still don't want a Star Wars comedy film. Especially when the movie is about a character as important as Han.

I am so over fans wanting new and edgy. I want a Star Wars movie. I think that's what I'm likely to get now so I am happy. There are plenty of sci-fi movies that play with the genre. We don't need it in Star Wars.

I want good movies, and I want Star Wars movies, and I want the Star Wars movies to be good. I don't think any of that is the same as new and edgy, or needing to be a post-modern deconstruction of the genre, or whatever. And I'm fine with getting Star Wars movies - I absolutely loved TFA and defend it at length, and I think you can reasonably say that it was the fruit of the approach that you're defending here.

I just really don't like the idea of having directors who are trying to make good, interesting movies being hamstrung by Disney. At the end of the day I want the best movies they can make and I don't think insisting on this sort of thing helps achieve that. It has fucking nothing to do with being edgy, for Pete's sake.

But the reports indicate that the directors weren't making a Star Wars film - they were going for meta and Jim Carry level humor. Just because they're doing their thing doesn't mean that they're right. You can't know that them doing something different was going to make it a good, interesting movie. It should be a Star Wars movie first and foremost, and it's right for the studio to step in if that's not what they're getting. The studio was trying to do something different in hiring them; they are trying to inject something different into the movies. But it's not the place to go extreme. The directors have to toe the line in a franchise because the movies are connected, especially with a legacy character like Han Solo.

Star Wars should feel like Star Wars. You said, "consistent average unexceptional Star Wars-type product that all feels the same" as clearly a bad thing. I think Star Wars movies should be consistent and I don't think that makes them unexceptional. I don't think it's wrong that they hit the same notes. Star Wars has always referenced itself. But they are giving us new things along with that. It's not a straight retread and I don't think they're leaning on nostalgia. I like the new movies and I want them to continue as they have done. Star Wars isn't the place for experimentation.

I might not have liked the movie that Lord and Miller ended up making. But I'd rather have a process where good directors make movies that they think are good and that they want to make, even if it results in occasional Star Wars movies that I don't like. By stepping in now, Disney are undermining any future attempts to do interesting things and hamstringing all their future directors. Especially after the same thing happened with Rogue One. So I'd rather stick with a process that might throw out the occasional bad movie, but also makes ones that are more interesting and good.

And I mean the other thing is, if your argument is that the directors Disney hires keep fucking up, shouldn't Disney be hiring better directors

If directors want to push their own projects, they can go and fund their own projects. Keep those shenanigans out of my Star Wars thank you. I'd rather have consistent Star Wars under the brand than fucking around never knowing what you are going to get. Plenty of other projects to press their luck on. You never know, they could end up make the next Jupiter Ascending or Interstellar...

The problem with getting directors is that in the last few years it has become almost normalized that directors get to use existing franchises as vehicles to push their own scripts and styles. Josh Tranks did it with Fantastic 4: Chronicle 2. Gareth Edwards did it with Monsters 2: Godzilla just as the two most immediate examples. Edgar Wright tried to do it with Ant-Man. It has become almost accepted in the industry that directors with an agenda or with a script that would otherwise not get made go find a franchise and use the name recognition of that to boost their own script and their own project.

What is happening now is that the studios are cracking down on it and starting to enforce production contract rules. We're seeing a flurry of directors who would have gotten away with it a few years ago now get turfed off the movie when they wouldn't play ball. This is actually a good thing. It isn't that Disney has a problem with hiring directors, it is that directors are now finding they cannot get away with messing about Disney.

But I'd rather have a process where good directors make movies that they think are good and that they want to make

I would argue that this isn't a situation that happens when a director uses an established property as vehicle to actualize their vision for what should really have been an original film. Whether it's comic books or Star Wars, good movies can only happen when the director is passionate about the actual material they're working with and not trying to mould it into something else because their original script couldn't get greenlit. Those vision-driven directors should really pass on these franchise projects and keep gunning for a shot at an original thing -- sure, properly with a much lower budget, but that constraint is frankly usually a good thing.

This view is reinforced by the fact that I just saw Baby Driver, a fucking fantastic original movie with all the right Edgar Wright touches. Maybe his Ant-Man movie could have worked with this style, but the character would have stuck out like a sore thumb the moment he entered another MCU film.

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