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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-06-28 06:31 pm

[ SECRET POST #3829 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3829 ⌋

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Re: Gender

(Anonymous) 2017-06-29 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Some people believe in God. Does that mean God is totally irrefutably real? They are, of course free to believe so, but anyone else is free not to believe in it as well. It's the same with gender. People are free to make up genders however much they like. Other people are free to think it's bullshit.

I think there are two sexes. Male or female. (Anomalies are not a third biological sex.) How you choose to express yourself is up to you. But in my eyes, no kind of self expression makes you something "other". Transsexual people are a special case because their dysphoria is based in physical issues first and foremost.

But I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Re: Gender

(Anonymous) 2017-06-29 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Some people believe in God. Does that mean God is totally irrefutably real? They are, of course free to believe so, but anyone else is free not to believe in it as well. It's the same with gender. People are free to make up genders however much they like. Other people are free to think it's bullshit.

It seems to me that your position is much more akin to saying that religion is not real than that God is not real.

I think there are two sexes. Male or female. (Anomalies are not a third biological sex.) How you choose to express yourself is up to you. But in my eyes, no kind of self expression makes you something "other". Transsexual people are a special case because their dysphoria is based in physical issues first and foremost.

So would it be fair to characterize your view as being that there is no such thing as gender and the only thing that's real is biological sex? And so men and women aren't really identifying as men or women, so much as they simply are biological male and female? Question to understand.

Re: Gender

(Anonymous) 2017-06-29 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
It seems to me that your position is much more akin to saying that religion is not real than that God is not real.

Which is what an atheist would do. And this whole thread is about opinions. I didn't write "imo" in front of every sentence because I thought this was obvious.

And basically yes, that, to your question.

Re: Gender

(Anonymous) 2017-06-29 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Couple further questions, I guess, if you don't mind

First, how - just generally in your mind - do you see biological sex influencing behavior and identity? To what extent, if at all, is it a factor there?

Second, what kind of relationship, if any, do you think exists between the kind of gender stereotypes you've been talking about, and biological sex?

Re: Gender

(Anonymous) 2017-06-29 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, to some extent. It generally varies, but certain behaviour is very obviously influenced by biological sex. Not to the same extent in every single person. But the vast majority of cultures all over the world and throughout history have/had certain structures that have always been connected to biological sex (generally higher muscle mass in male bodies means they are generally fighters etc.).

The relationship between gender stereotypes and biological sex is, in my opinion, a matter of certain biologically influenced characteristics being generalised on a very simplistic level. A lot of stereotypes have their basis in plain old sexism though.

Re: Gender

(Anonymous) 2017-06-29 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
The relationship between gender stereotypes and biological sex is, in my opinion, a matter of certain biologically influenced characteristics being generalised on a very simplistic level. A lot of stereotypes have their basis in plain old sexism though.

To the extent that those stereotypes are founded in biologically influenced characteristics, would you view them as legitimate?

Re: Gender

(Anonymous) 2017-06-29 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Only inasfar as there might be a small bit of truth at the bottom of it, but most stereotypes are too generalised to be entirely legitimate.