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I'm cool with using peoples' preferred pronouns or "they/them", but I think all the newly invented gender neutral pronouns (like zie/zim/zir, etc.) are dumb and special snowflakey.

+1.... the way to combat the gender binary and the seemingly arbitrary characteristics associated to genders is so not making 1000 more and associating arbitrary characteristics with each

Same.

I also believe there are between 2 and possibly 3 genders.

Edited 2017-07-05 23:36 (UTC)

Yes. I'm willing to go with he/she/they (regardless of your birth certificate), but I don't really see why we need more.

Same. I don't mind they/them and will use them if that's what the person prefers, but zie/zim sounds off to me.

"Newly invented" as in decades ago?

Everyone knows all terminology used in LGBTQ discourse was invented on Tumblr.

To be fair, in etymology that's not much time at all.

True, but spivak pronouns have about two decades on language that's routinely used without comment, such as "web," "text" (as a verb), and "transgender." (Factoid: spivak was a pronoun option on LambdaMOO which pre-dated Mosaic by a couple of years.) It gets a bit annoying that we have to have these conversations every generation as if the issues were invented last Wednesday.

Same. It also doesn't help that the first time I heard of the 'z' pronouns they were used for NSFW herm furry OCs. :|

I know a few of the gender neutral pronouns were invented a few decades ago, but I still think they sound silly, so I like just using singular "they," even though I'll use whatever pronouns anyone asks me to use. Bur I'd mind gender-neutral pronouns other than "they" a lot less if there was just one widely agreed on one, aside from "they." Like, he, she, they, zie. I could deal with that. After awhile I start flipping out trying to remember who uses which pronouns. I have enough trouble just matching names and faces.

Are there really a lot of people (outside Tumblr I guess?) who insist on ze/xe/whatever pronouns? I've met a lot of nonbinary people on Facebook and every single one I've met uses "they".

Though if a person really liked "ze" I don't see the harm in that, either.

I think the whole "lol cloverself" thing is a lot of false flagging, personally.

Oh, I definitely think nounself was likely a fringe thing that anti-SJWs decided to run with. The last survey I saw on the issue had xe, e, and per running at around 5% of respondents.

Edited 2017-07-06 20:38 (UTC)

I remember an episode of Gaycation where Ian was talking with some trans teens and one of them went by 'z/x' pronouns.

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