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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-07-18 06:58 pm

[ SECRET POST #3849 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3849 ⌋

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[Horizon Zero Dawn]


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[Jurassic World]


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[Michelle Gomez in Doctor Who, Jack Davenport in Pirates of the Caribbean]


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[Longmire, Cady Longmire/Jacob Nighthorse]


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(Animal Kingdom)


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[Sirens]


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Language learning

(Anonymous) 2017-07-19 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
I've studied Japanese for quite a long time and am comfortably conversational (beyond just every day stuff, like I can more or less talk about more advanced stuff and generally explain myself)... so that gave me a false sense of how good I am. I decided I would finally prepare to take the official Japanese language proficiency exam, so I'm taking a class... and two lessons in, and I am overwhelmed. I don't know how I'll learn and remember so much kanji. And all this vocabulary, argh. I'm so down, I've basically convinced myself I'm a beginner.

How do you all study languages? Any tips? I have a terrible memory for flashcards and such.
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Re: Language learning

[personal profile] sarillia 2017-07-19 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
It might sound weird but what works for me is getting things wrong and correcting myself. I try to read something and make a note of what I didn't know or remembered wrong. Then I come back to it later and I generally remember a lot of the corrections. After going back to it a few times, I end up internalizing most of it.

Looking at things in context rather than isolated words also tends to help. There's more for my memory to latch onto, associating certain words with each other.
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Re: Language learning

[personal profile] type_wild 2017-07-19 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Read stuff you really want to read - I mean, like that one time I found a multi-chapter plot fic for my ever ignored OTP, my lacking skills at the target language was suddenly not so important any longer. Reading comics is easier than reading prose.

Film yourself speaking and watch it afterwards. I struggled a lot with conversations, and it helped immensely to remind myself that in no-stress situations, I was capable of forming full sentences with passable grammar and good pronounciation. If you're comfortable with conversations, consider a tandem partner. There are websites for this.

Write a little bit every day - three lines is a lot better than nothing at all. Practice new words by using them in at least ten different full sentences.

Re: Language learning

(Anonymous) 2017-07-19 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
You've studied Japanese for a long time but didn't bother to learn kanji? That's just... weird.

Re: Language learning

(Anonymous) 2017-07-19 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
I guess it makes sense if you just focused on conversational skills, but that is the literal opposite of what the JLPT tests lol.

Re: Language learning

(Anonymous) 2017-07-19 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, there's learning kanji, and then there's learning JLPT N1-level kanji. This days it's easy to get by without memorizing loads of kanji, especially with things like Rikaichan.

Re: Language learning

(Anonymous) 2017-07-19 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
hmm....time to cram with anki with the rest of us

Re: Language learning

(Anonymous) 2017-07-19 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
As someone who has passed the N2, I hate to say it but it's 95% rote memorization for the JLPT. A lot of the kanji/vocabulary/grammatical concepts that are used in the higher levels are things you honestly won't encounter that often out in the wild, so reading things that you like won't get you that far in terms of usefulness. You really just need to sit down and memorize, memorize, memorize.

Re: Language learning

(Anonymous) 2017-07-19 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
I have the shittiest memory, thanks to health issues, so memorization is extremely difficult for me. What helps me language-wise? Repetition. It may take a hundred times hearing the word but eventually it sticks. For the visual aspect, with kanji, the only thing that even comes close to working for me is association - not with the sound of the word as spoken, but with what it means. My brain works backwards from there - I can see the kanji for, say, omae, but I can't directly connect it, I have to connect the shape of the character to "you" and then work backward from you=omae to memorize it.

for the record I've worked on learning both Japanese and Gaelic, so I don't go easy on myself when it comes to language. ._.