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fandomsecrets2008-06-04 05:13 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2008-06-04 05:13 pm
[ SECRET POST #516 ]
⌈ Secret Post #516 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 150 secrets from Secret Submission Post #074.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ], [ 1 - update ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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(Anonymous) 2008-06-05 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)I think to some extent almost all of us have issues with racism, sexism, and homophobia. Even though we know it's morally wrong or irrational, most of us, unfortunately, have been raised in a prejudiced society, which floods us with stereotypical and fear-mongering images. So I also completely believe that people can support gay rights and yet still feel uncomfortable around gay people. I don't lose respect for them over that, because it's always better to judge by actions, which a person can control, than their internal impulses, which they cannot.
But there are many people who hide their real life prejudices behind fandom, because they know saying "Oh hey I'm a homophobe." or "Oh hey I hate woman." isn't gonna fly.
But you are reacting to RL sexism and homophobia, which you assume to be planted in some fannish actions. And while that sometimes is the case, I think you have to be careful when you assume motivations like that. There are plenty of gay males who do not like slash that I know IRL, because they view slash as exploitive porn, much in the way I know feminists who hate heterosexual pornography because they believe it demeans women. I'm actually one of those people who argues incessantly about the problems in misogyny in fandom, but I make an effort not to lose all respect for someone just because I think that she's too harsh on female characters. I have friends on both sides of the issue, and the problem starts when they start disrespecting the other based on her opinions towards fictional characters.
e (Or, only attractive girls should cosplay, or anime/jrock fans who only like stuff from Japan. All those are variations that rarely get called on because they're less in your face, but they all show nasty real life biases)
These opinions are not only "fandom opinions," but are opinions placed on real life people. How people treat real-life people /= how people treat fandom.
And if you're not talking about those people, a) Your secret was worded weakly and b) I don't know why were arguing because I'm responding to something you didn't write.
I think not! *Headbites*
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See, to me ones opinion, and how you act are always showing something you think, whether it's consciouses or not. I don't think it being "fandom" gives you a by. Do I think you should hate someone if they don't ship x and y? No. (Honestly, I don't think you should hate someone if they are a little homophobic, racist, whatever, if they're, like you said, trying to overcome it. But I can see why some people would)
Part of this issue is that I'm not talking about slash as porn, and I'm not sure why you keep reverting back to it as such. Gay=/=porn, even if porn is a big part of it in the fandom sphere. If someone refuses to like something, because it's gay, yeah that's a sign of homophobia. And yes, it's a real life bias, but it's also a real life bias that is coming across as fandom. The two aren't completely disconnected. Anything that we spend so much time and energy on becomes part of our real life, and vice versa.
You're drawing a very unclear line about where fandom begins and real life ends...all fandoms, at some point, involve real people whether it's the creators, the fans, the actors, musicians, etc. And all fandoms effect real life people. Saying "All Japaneses music sucks." insults Japanese artist, saying "All Slash sucks!" insults all slash creators, and both are based in a nasty real life issue.
If how you treat a fictional character/event/thing is rooted in something that can be reflect in real life (And most of them can), then yes, you have a right to apply it to real life and call them on their shit. If someone's going on about how "Tifa/Orihime/whomever must be a slut cause she has big tits." then yeah...that's uh...gonna effect my opinion on them.
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(Anonymous) 2008-06-05 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)