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⌈ Secret Post #3856 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Unpopular political opinions

[(Anonymous)]

So, outside of the Christian right, does this high-level idea about authoritarians and liberals have any other connections to electoral politics? Because it seems to me that, if not, it might not be a good model for understanding what current political fights are actually all about.

I think you're right to be thinking about tribalism and ideological absolutism! Those are important phenomena in contemporary politics. My problem is that I don't think the framework of authoritarian vs liberal is a good one to allow us to understand those phenomena. There are some big flaws in the theory - for instance that it doesn't map well to existing electoral political divides, and I would also argue that it doesn't pay nearly enough attention to the actual policy differences between political opponents, which do exist. But that doesn't mean you're wrong on any of those things you think - the problem is with the model.

My personal belief is that tribalism is mostly evenly distributed around the whole political spectrum, rather than coming out of any particular ideology or side. So authoritarian left is still closer to non-authoritarian left, and vice versa - it's just that they also act tribally while being left. But that's not necessarily the best model either. I'm just saying even if you want to be part of a progressive liberal center, that's more an ideological commitment of your own than a model of reality.

Re: Unpopular political opinions

[thewakokid]

Fist of all, I think this issue is happening out side of the electoral system. It's not the politicians saying "Think this way or else" it's their supporters. I do suspect that this tribalism is being encouraged by pretty much every major political figure around right now, but I don't think many politicians are going to be so open as to say "The people who disagree with me shouldn't have a say" That's far too obviously Orwellian. No, the shit storm with this isn't playing out in the houses, it's playing out among the public.

It's playing out by people like me, commenting on "Unpopular political opinions" which are designed to bring heated and, lets be honest trollish comments.

"understanding what current political fights are actually all about." is irrelevent. People are not arguing the fights, they are not arguing their points, they are arguing that their opponents don't have a a valid point and need to not be involved in the discussion, they are arguing that their echo chamber is better. Look at the people who instantly leap to defend "Their Guy" and how they don't show skeptisicm, they don't look into what is being said and decide if it can be defended or i how they really feel about it. They don't even decide if they're going to play devils advocate. they look, first and foremost, at how they can protect their guy.

"So authoritarian left is still closer to non-authoritarian left, and vice versa"

I disagree, because an authoritarian leftist cannot coexist with a right winger, and vice versa, where as a libertarian leftist can co-exist with a libertarian right winger, even if they heatedly argue. Libertarian ideals allow for the possibility of a middle ground, where as authoritarian ideals make anyone not directly standing where you are someone who needs to be shut down.