[ SECRET POST #3883 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3883 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sure there are evil gen xers who feel the same. :P

I thought their flaws made them fun.

[(Anonymous)]

Some of their flaws definitely did. Some of them definitely did not (for me at least). Monica being a control freak, or Phoebe being a space cadet, things like that are funny in the show even if they wouldn't be in real life. Ross being entitled and awful about relationships reallllllly is not.

[(Anonymous)]

And you felt like the writers wanted us to sympathize with his entitlement? This is a really interesting perspective.

[(Anonymous)]

It's always tricky to talk about intent. That said, I think the writers viewed him as a flawed but basically sympathetic and likable romantic protagonist, and I can't really come around to the "basically sympathetic" part. And I think, if they understood some of his characteristics as flaws, it wasn't necessarily in the same way in which I understand them as flaws.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, I did not get that from Ross at all! If he was sympathetic, it was because he was pathetic, and all the other characters on the show thought he was a loser, which rendered him rather innocuous.

[(Anonymous)]

It kind of feels to me like the other characters thought he was a loser, not because he was doing anything "wrong", but because he just happened to be unsuccessful and unlucky. And I think that's a meaningful distinction.

However disclaimer, I haven't watched through the show recently enough to be completely au fait with episode-to-episode close readings or anything, and that's probably what would be necessary to make this point in a useful and consistent way.

[(Anonymous)]

They made Ross/Rachel endgame. That certainly implies that they didn't think of his flaws as being all that bad.

That being said, I didn't watch more than the occasional episode of friends because they all annoyed me to one degree or another.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like a lot of the seasons plots boil down to one of the friends doing a wrong thing that is an obviously wrong and jerkish thing to do, but you are still supposed to root for them because they're the main characters, so they're always right