[ SECRET POST #3888 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3888 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Easy wank. Bad blood between the fiction influences reality versus fiction isn't reality. Shipping bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

Pretend there's a "folks" after every "fiction"

[(Anonymous)]

After every reality. Time to commit sudoku.

[(Anonymous)]

Bad blood between the fiction influences reality versus fiction isn't reality

DA - This is it exactly, and I'm of the former crowd. People who don't understand that's where the central argument is stemming from really baffle me. I mean, yes, there seem to be quite a few people out there who are shouting "pedo" at anyone who ships something they hate. But personally, I've never taken ethical issue with a ship because I dislike it. (I've also never called someone a pedo - although there has been exactly one occasion where I worry it potentially would have been an appropriate use of the word.)

In fact, I've mainly taken issue with instances of my own OTP being written in really fucked up, underage scenarios. My OTP has been my OTP for six years; I love the fuck out of them. That doesn't change the fact that getting off on scenarios where one is fourteen and the other is thirty and they fuck is really messed up.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never gotten the difference between say ships like what happens with your OTP versus something that glorifies murder and violence like GTA. If influencing others is the concern, either both should be acceptable or neither.

Addtionally, I concede that fiction can influence reality as seen with copycat crimes, but I think the vast majority of adults know when their actions are unacceptable and people who cross that line should be condemned with the full force of the law. Additionally, what people get out of fiction is not 1:1 of what they get out of reality.

[(Anonymous)]

versus something that glorifies murder and violence like GTA

It depends on how, and the extent to which, something "glorifies" murder and violence.

A story that depicts murder and strong violence as bad but necessary is very different from a story that depicts murder and strong violence as a cool, fun thing to do.

If I watched a movie that depicted a character beating his wife as cool and sexy, I would be disgusted, and I would think that movie was ethically reprehensible.

Similarly, I think GTA having a function that allows you to kill the prostitute you solicited in order to get your money back is beyond fucked, and it dusgusts me. It's mainly that killing the prostitute is incentivised (however mildly) that I find really disturbing. And I suppose that if the game awards you money or some kind of currency for killing other non-playable characters indiscriminately, then yeah, I do find that pretty gross. However, I'm not a gamer and haven't played GTA, so I really can't say with any certainty how I feel about the way the game depicts murder and violence on the whole.

Addtionally, I concede that fiction can influence reality as seen with copycat crimes

I mean sure, there's this. But a far better example, IMO, is rape culture and the way women and sexuality are depicted in popular media. Do people really not believe the latter influences the former? I just find that incredibly naive and simple-minded. Just because we can't measure the exact type and degree of affect that a particular piece or type of media will have on a particular individual, doesn't mean there isn't an effect. It's just far more complex, atmospheric, and insidious than "A guy who kills people in video games will kill people in real life."

[(Anonymous)]

This is such a good comment. It articulates something really pivotal, but which I've never quite seen articulated in this whole debate before. Thank you!

[(Anonymous)]

re: rape culture
Degenerate fanfic is niche, almost always throughly warned for, and reaches a limited audience who is very much aware of how socially unacceptable this content is as they use pseudonyms. These two situations are not comparable.