[ SECRET POST #3888 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3888 ⌋

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Comments

Re: You're not special OP

[(Anonymous)]

I might post to my own personal space about how much I dislike and am disturbed by underage noncon fanfic. That is all.

But as far as I'm concerned, pedophilic fanfic and fanart shouldn't be permitted on major public archives.

Right there you've stepped outside your own private sphere. In my experience, when people say "this shouldn't be allowed" it means they're working to enforce that particular boundary and arbitrate that division of right and wrong, and I can't agree with the boundaries being set here. I much prefer a fandom that embraces and inquires and makes room for, rather than one that's suspicious and witch-hunting and spreading unfounded assumptions about the moral character of fellow fans because someone decided their stories or fantasies were "toxic."

You say I'm projecting based on what I've encountered elsewhere. What I've encountered elsewhere is the prevalence of the term "pedophile" as a buzzword and a red flag among people who seized upon it as a way of wielding power in fandom. Its popularity and the zest with which it's been adopted as the rallying cry in circumstances where no pedophilia exists concerns me because it does nothing to protect children at risk and it spreads hatred. This isn't a statement that pedophilia doesn't exist in the real world. It's an observation that attacking people for fictional depictions of a whole range of narrative behaviors and character types by throwing the word "pedophile" at them is a vicious misuse of a very powerful accusation, and it's demonstrably attached to shipping wars. The fact that you've hoisted that flag here means you're inevitably going to be associated with the already existing crusade. You may not personally doxx. You may not leave frothing messages calling people all manner of names and telling them to kill themselves. But you're entering into the spirit of the latest fad in fandom, one that has already driven people out and terrified them into taking their fanworks down - this is where claims of pedophilia have led. And in the name of what? Fictional ships.

It's way past my bedtime, so I'm going to bow out now. You've tried to insist on keeping the conversation to only what's been strictly said in this thread. However, the very notion that pedophilia has a widespread influence within fandom is one that originates outside this comm, in a, yes, very 'toxic' part of fandom. You've brought that toxicity with you by bringing the terminology here, so of course experience of and references to what has already happened around the "pedophilia discourse" is going enter the discussion.

I think we represent two different spirits of fandom, and we'll never see eye to eye. I'm glad I've had over a decade to enjoy fandom before this latest attempt to purge it of undesirable elements came along. It's just depressing to watch it trivialize a real issue and drive wedges between generations and different cultures within fandom.

Re: You're not special OP

[(Anonymous)]

In my experience, when people say "this shouldn't be allowed" it means they're working to enforce that particular boundary

I am not, but if fandom held a vote on the matter, I know which way I'd vote. So okay, I suppose you'll have to feel I'm out to get you somehow. I cannot conceive of a situation in which I'm alright with pedophilic or hebephilic works (fannish or otherwise) being accepted as okay.

the very notion that pedophilia has a widespread influence within fandom is one that originates outside this comm

I haven't said it does and I'm not sure where you think I have.

so of course experience of and references to what has already happened around the "pedophilia discourse" is going enter the discussion.

If you are incapable of responding to what I've actually said, without projecting your grievances with others onto me, that's a problem of yours, not of mine. You'll notice I haven't given you the same treatment, regardless of having been verbally attacked outside this thread in very inappropriate and uncivil ways by members of your camp.

I'm glad I've had over a decade to enjoy fandom before this latest attempt to purge it of undesirable elements came along.

That's funny. I was going to say I'm glad I've had over a decade to enjoy fandom before this ideology sprang up that even pedophilic fanworks must be seen as okay.