[ SECRET POST #3891 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3891 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You can't deny that the type of wank has changed, though.

I honestly don't know whether it has. It's possible. I definitely agree that peoples' experience of fandom is different from what they remember it being. I definitely agree that the rhetoric has changed. But I don't know whether or not there really has been a fundamental change in how fandom actually works. I'm not comfortable saying that there is, just based off of peoples' memories. I just don't know.

I mean, just for instance, people might not have used social justice langage to do it as much, but I think people were pretty comfortable with ad hominem attacks back in the day in fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Ad hominem isn't the same thing as instantly casting aspersions on your real life character and how you treat real life people.

Me calling you stupid based on what you ship because you ship it, isn't me trying to prove to everyone else that you're a real life pedophilia apologist, and trying to convince everyone they should treat you as one. Being called a dumb bitch or retard are obvious ad hominems and the personal opinion of the attacker, but being called "racist" and "sexist" are far more specific and serious accusations with a veneer of respectability which claim to hold the moral high ground against you, which calling someone a retard doesn't.

It's not a fundamental change in how fandom works; it's a fundamental change in the tools with which people attack each other in fandom.

If you really see no difference, I don't know how better to explain this, sorry. Maybe someone else will step in.

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Hmm, I think I may have answered my own question. "Dumb bitch" is an insult and an ad hominem, but it's not an accusation of a specific thing. "You're a racist or pedophile defender" definitely is an accusation of morally reprehensible deeds more than just an ad hominem, and asserts the accuser has some evidence to back this up.

When fandom fights have started sounding like political smear campaigns and ads accusing each other of crimes and misdeeds than person to person arguments.