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⌈ Secret Post #3892 ⌋

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Comments

[cbrachyrhynchos]

As a 40ish father of a teenager, calling Damien a youth would be a bit of a stretch, not to mention the whole issue of transness which yaoi can't handle without making a fucking joke out of it.

[(Anonymous)]

The artstyle sure doesn't make him look like 40ish though. And let's not pretend that the whole "issue of transness" is so obvious - plenty people actually never noticed it so it's completely irrelevant for this argument.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

DATING AS A MIDDLE-AGED PARENT IS THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF THE FUCKING GAME!

And let's not pretend that the whole "issue of transness" is so obvious - plenty people actually never noticed it so it's completely irrelevant for this argument.

Yes, and that's exactly why it's not a yaoi-style dating sim.

[(Anonymous)]

THE STYLE DOESN'T REFLECT THE CHARACTER'S AGE THOUGH.

Yes, and that's exactly why it's not a yaoi-style dating sim.
That sentence doesn't make a lot of sense but ok. Nobody said it was, so I don't even know what you're on about (other than you being weirdly defensive about a bland dating sim that you try to put on a pedestal but which nobody will talk about in a few months).

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Nobody said it was, ...

It's pretty stupid to lie about something that was said explicitly in the history of the thread.

That sentence doesn't make a lot of sense but ok.

Yaoi as a genre is generally not friendly to trans people, either taking the position of "LOL, it's a cross-dresser" or "LOL, he was taken in by a trap." The fact that Damien is just another guy is another marked difference from the way that yaoi treats the subject.

Nobody said it was, so I don't even know what you're on about (other than you being weirdly defensive about a bland dating sim that you try to put on a pedestal but which nobody will talk about in a few months).

I'm not putting it on a pedestal. I'm pointing out that it uses almost none of the formulas that characterize yaoi.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone asked whether it WAS a yaoi dating sim, nobody SAID that it's a yaoi-style dating sim.

In my opinion, making the weirdo Victorian-style cosplayer the trans character isn't exactly NOT making him a joke of a character but ymmv. It's also a lot like "Dumbledore is gay" - only with word of god actually confirmed and with zero impact on the story. So we'll have to agree to disagree on this.

ITT, I was mostly talking about the style element, mostly because I haven't actually played it. So I don't think talking about this any more makes any sense.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Someone asked whether it WAS a yaoi dating sim, nobody SAID that it's a yaoi-style dating sim.

> So by.... LGBTQ do you mean it's a yaoi dating sim?
> Yep

Not to mention the whole bulk of this thread has been devoted to arguing that Damien, a 40-ish father, is really bishonen and therefore the game has yaoi elements.

In my opinion, making the weirdo Victorian-style cosplayer the trans character isn't exactly NOT making him a joke of a character but ymmv.

Um, you do know that there's still a goth subculture, and that a large number of people in that subculture culture are LGBTQ?

It's also a lot like "Dumbledore is gay" - only with word of god actually confirmed and with zero impact on the story.

It's referenced in one of his dates. But, why should it have an impact on the story rather than just be something you incidentally discover by dating him?

ITT, I was mostly talking about the style element, mostly because I haven't actually played it.

If you've not played this game, then what makes you think you can argue about how a character was developed?

[(Anonymous)]

and therefore the game has yaoi elements
No. Nobody argued that.

Uhm, you know that for some people, the character is still maybe not the be all and end all for flawless, none ridiculous trans guy representation? It's almost as if these are opinions, not facts, oh my!

I've seen enough of the game, in playthroughs and snippets to roughly know the characters. I've seen most scenes with him via postings/discussion and my point still stands. I think he's a very sketchy choice for the, in my eyes, fairly gimmicky "transTM" character. It's almost as if people can have different opinions.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Look, Dream Daddy is an American dating sim created (in part) for an American LGBTQ audience focused on the dating lives of adult and middle-aged gay and bisexual fathers. If you want to argue the merits of yaoi or bishonen, there are plenty of media and characters that perfectly fit those genres and tropes. Trying to cram a middle-aged goth father into those tropes on the basis of squinting at the box art is bad game criticism.

Note that no one has said that Dream Daddy is perfect. What I've said is that Dream Daddy doesn't fit into a genre where most trans people are "LOL traps" or "LOL obvious cross-dresser." When the only times you see yourself on a screen (any screen) is as a dramatic problem, predator, or joke, there's nothing wrong with having works where it's referenced in passing and NOT a point of dramatic or comedic tension.