[ SECRET POST #3893 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3893 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Valkyrie]


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[Joss Whedon and ex-wife Kai Cole]


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[Alyson Hannigan, "Fool Us"]


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06.
[Wolfenstein: The New Order]


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[Anne, the new Anne of Green Gables reboot miniseries]













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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure why so many people are jumping to conclusions here. His ex wife's account does not seem to be holding much back, and nowhere in it does she even imply casting couch bullshit.

He cheated on his wife, multiple times and with multiple women. That's shitty, no denying it. But we have no reason to assume he was pushing himself on women who weren't interested, using his power to exert influence on them and dangle career opportunities in from of them in exchange for sex. And until women start coming forward claiming he did that stuff, I'm certainly not going to presume that's how it was.

I don't blame people for judging Joss for this, or even disliking him for it, but I do think it speaks of a personal bias if you hear "philanderer" and you go, "I KNEW he was a coercive misogynist!"

[cbrachyrhynchos]

"I was surrounded by beautiful, needy, aggressive women.... Suddenly, I'm a powerful producer and the world is at my feet and I can't touch it."

I don't think that "casting couch" culture is just about quid pro quo sexual harassment. Quid pro quo harassment is just the tip of the iceberg in a professional culture where it's perfectly normal for (primarily male) producers/directors to have sex with (primarily female) talent. Assuming Whedon wrote that quote, it seems that he saw sex with his co-workers as a perk of his position and status.

[(Anonymous)]

Assuming Whedon wrote that quote, it seems that he saw sex with his co-workers as a perk of his position and status.

Assuming Whedon wrote that quote (which we cannot verify), it seems he discovered that his fame, talent, and power caused a lot of women to express sexual interest in him. And he was not immune to temptation. That is what that quote tells us. Not that he coerced women, or harassed women, or even that he presumed their interest in him. It merely says that when women did express their sexual and emotional interest in him, he was tempted by what they were offering.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Not that he coerced women, or harassed women,...

Stretching.

[(Anonymous)]

See, from where I'm standing, you appear to be stretching.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

No one has argued that Whedon coerced anyone.

[(Anonymous)]

Lots of people are implying his behavior was "predatory" or "boderline predatory." And yeah, lots of people are implying he coerced people. Hell, that's what casting couch bullshit is - coercive.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

wrong.

And I'm not certain I'm willing to continue a conversation with someone intent on justifying unethical sexual relationships on the grounds that they were probably consensual.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. There is a high whiff of "not my fault, those horny little sluts MADE me do it" around both Joss' backpedaling and AYRT's attempt to justify it. Yuk.