[ SECRET POST #3894 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3894 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Santa Clarita Diet]


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[Pennywise, from Stephen King's It]


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[Intelligence, Mary Spalding/Jimmy Reardon]


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[Danny Rand in Iron Fist/The Defenders]













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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think the line can be simply described:

Dub-con: someone wants it but also doesn't want it. There's always a level of confusion and inner conflict about it.

Ex: a closeted gay person who has a coerced gay encounter who wanted that encounter all along but couldn't or wouldn't admit they did out of shame.

Non-con: someone does not want it at all. There's no confusion about this.

Ex: a straight person who has a coerced gay encounter.

[(Anonymous)]

Sex pollen that lowers inhibitions and amplifies feelings and pushes someone to act on their already-present attractions: dubcon

Sex pollen that makes someone act on an attraction they did not have and do not want and feels out of control of their body: noncon

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, still bullshit, but A+ effort at trying to slip some sexual orientation wank in there.

[(Anonymous)]

That wasn't my intent, it was just an example, but I don't feel you're open to listening to others' attempts an explaining the difference they see, so I'll limit my effort to that

[(Anonymous)]

I mean we already have like 3 different definitions here...

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

chiming in to say they all make sense to me on a basic level. dub-con has conflicting emotions. non-con is outright "do not want and never wanted"

the only "contradiction" is that one says sex pollen can go either way depending on how the trope is applied and the latter version is much more rare than the former version and sex pollen is generally considered dub-con

idk what is confusing you but it makes sense to me

[(Anonymous)]

Cool, maybe we'll all finally reach agreement.

Meanwhile, I'm gonna keep labeling all my fic noncon out of habit so I don't get hollered at by people who didn't think my dub con was going to be so "rapey."

[(Anonymous)]

If people are consistently calling your fic "rapey" pehaps it's NOT the dubcon you think it is, and the list of people struggling to grasp the noncon/dubcon difference are limited to you and a few others.

[(Anonymous)]

K

[(Anonymous)]

da

Nah, dubcon is still rapey as hell. Mainly because if it happened outside of a fictional story, it would be, you know.

Rape. The fact that it tries to justify the whole "you say you don't want it, but I know better" excuse in-story actually makes it creepier than straight up unvarnished noncon to a not insignificant subset of readers.

[(Anonymous)]

If people are consistently calling your fic "rapey" pehaps it's NOT the dubcon you think it is

MTE

[(Anonymous)]

this. dubcon is "they actually do want it but wouldn't admit to it without extenuating circumstances" like sex pollen or something like that. noncon is "they don't want it and never would want it under any circumstances."

[(Anonymous)]

That has some... unfortunate implications, anon. I get what you're trying to say, but this is not a good example.