[ SECRET POST #3895 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3895 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, the current "Slash and yaoi is gross fucked up women touching their SINBITS while fetishizing a marginalized group." is a new-ish way to shame women for anything remotely sexual. I wasn't implying anything about any other shaming existing or not existing, just talking about this one specific shame movement, honey.

[thewakokid]

I know. I wasn't really trying to call you out or anything (See the 4chan text) Just thought it was worth mentioning this ain't new shit.

[(Anonymous)]

Psh, it's not "new." I was seeing this whole "women fetishizing gay men and thus their kink is problematic" shit ten years ago.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm losing it at SINBITS

[arcadiaego]

I keep reading it as snibits which is nonsensical but somehow works.

[(Anonymous)]

That very specific "how dare straight women fetishize gay men via slash and yaoi" shame movement has existed at least since I got an lj in 2001 (and probably before, I just don't have the cites before then.) So it depends how you define "new", I guess. We beat it back pretty hard in the late-00s, it's just on yet another upswing now.

[(Anonymous)]

I was thinking new as in within the last 40 years. I think, though I'm not 100% sure, slash fanfic wasn't well known enough before the Trek zines started to specifically shame for it, but I'm sure it was included in the general shaming.

[(Anonymous)]

I think if you go back much farther than that, the way sexual orientation was treated by society makes it unlikely the argument framed in that way would make sense. But yeah, I suspect it is at least as old as the social constructs that frame it. Would not be shocked if you could find some version of it re: Lord Byron fangirls in his friends' letters.

[(Anonymous)]

I was seeing it back in the late '90s.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, same here.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

That said, do you agree that there *are* women out there who, like straight men, are writing same-sex porn for essentially fetishistic purposes?