[ SECRET POST #3895 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3895 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'd like sources too, but it's not unlikely what they're saying. That it's always been for "straight" women who in actuality were mostly closeted non-straight women. The keyword is closeted. Most of my female friends in college who liked BL were gay or bi, the straight ones more tended to like the occasional BL story but not be into it as a genre.

[(Anonymous)]

Considering the first yaoi\shonen-ai manga ever published still fell into the genre of 'shoujo manga' before they became their own genres, it's pretty obvious who the intended audience of the 'originally created' yaoi was.

For those who are interested:
First shonen-ai and first male-male kiss in shoujo manga ever: 'in the sunroom'.
First ever yaoi: kaze to ki no uta (the song of wind and trees), both were created in the '70's by Takemiya Keiko.

[(Anonymous)]

It amazes me people seem to be so familiar with the history of the BL genre and yet have no fucking clue that neither of those things is shonen ai OR yaoi.

It's BL. The word you're looking for to describe manga is BL.

"But this doesn't have sex-"

It's BL.

"But there's nothing BUT explicit scenes in-"

Is it an original piece? BL. (Now, is it a fictional fanwork? THEN you can call it yaoi).

[(Anonymous)]

DA

What the hell is BL, anyway?

[(Anonymous)]

Boy's love.

GL= girl's love
NL= normal love aka het

[(Anonymous)]

DA

BL = boys love
GL = girls love
NL = normal love (heterosexual)

Can you believe there are people defending BL when the term for heterosexual stuff in Japan is described as "Normal"?

[(Anonymous)]

Those terms have been so mixed up and diluted within the fan community, it's understandable that people haven't adopted BL. Like, even bara is still considered acceptable despite its derogatory use in its native language.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

[i]Is it an original piece? BL. (Now, is it a fictional fanwork? THEN you can call it yaoi).[/i]

BL is a relatively new popular umbrella term used for both genres yaoi\shonen-ai, and what you're describing is a relatively new development within Japan, using yaoi solely to describe doujin still hasn't really caught on in western countries.

But as you can read in my first post I was referring to the creation of both genre's, and yes, originally both yaoi and shonen-ai have been used to categorize original fiction until quite recently.

[(Anonymous)]

> yaoi solely to describe doujin still hasn't really caught on in western countries.

MFW I call "yaoi" to any porn involving 2D guys.