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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-09-12 06:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #3905 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3905 ⌋

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Re: Fannish behavior you can't stand.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-12 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
But is the way that it's portrayed and depicted the same? Because the idea of a male "gaze" is not just about having sexy female bodies on screens, right?

This is a real question, to be clear. I don't have any idea what the answer.

Re: Fannish behavior you can't stand.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-12 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
The male gaze isn't just about enjoying the female form. It's about power and often degradation. Women existing not as humans with their own agency, but things to admire and walk around like dolls and speak the words male writers create, to act out fantasies that reinforce how wonderful men are and how sexy women appreciate them and exist for them. It's patriarchy and sexiness combined.

Men having more power in the industry seems to lead to egregious violations of actual human female representation. It seems to lead to only the latest hot skinny sexy actress being cast and women in the industry earning less, having less say in anything, and having a definite shelf life. It means exacting body standards, asinine scripts that women don't have a say in, and it means objectification. I mean seriously, try google.

Re: Fannish behavior you can't stand.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-13 07:51 am (UTC)(link)
I mean seriously, try google.

I agree with the points you're making, but I'm betting that AYRT knows all of that already and didn't actually require you educating them. As far as I can tell, AYRT is not a gay or bi woman him/herself, and she(?) was trying to be respectful of gay and bi women by asking if the lesbian/bi gaze is notably different than the male gaze, rather than just opining that it is different.