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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-09-16 04:18 pm

[ SECRET POST #3909 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3909 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-16 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep. I see a lot of people going, "but it's tongue-in-cheek!"

I'm not sure those people understand what that phrase means, or the fact that it's not a get out of jail free card for creative projects that fall very, very flat.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-16 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure those people understand what that phrase means

From Cambridge Dictionary:
“meant to be understood as a joke, although it might appear to be serious”

From Merriam Webster:
“characterized by insincerity, irony, or whimsical exaggeration”

From Google Dictionary:
“without really meaning what one is saying or writing”

I think I got it, thanks.

it's not a get out of jail free card for creative projects that fall very, very flat.

No, it’s not. However, if someone doesn’t recognize the satirical and tongue-in-cheek nature of a text, said text is bound to fall flat for that person. One might still dislike the text after recognizing its satirical and tongue-in-cheek nature. One might also claim the satirical and tongue-in-cheek nature was not presented clearly enough for it to function as desired. But if one criticizes a satirical and/or tongue-in-cheek thing as though it were serious and earnest, their criticism is bound to feel undeserved, and people are likely to point that out.

The secret criticized LWYMMD for being “edgelordy” – a criticism that only makes sense if one believes the sentiments expressed in the song were intended to be taken seriously. IMO, nothing in LWYMMD was intended to be taken entirely seriously. And frankly, the “darker” and “edgier” the song got, the less serious it appeared to take itself. Therefore, deeming it “edgelordy” feels inaccurate.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-16 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Uh huh.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-16 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
But it was intended to be taken seriously to some extent. And we can argue about exactly how far it was intended to be taken seriously, because it's confused and muddle, but some of it is intended to be serious.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-16 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
And frankly, the “darker” and “edgier” the song got, the less serious it appeared to take itself. Therefore, deeming it “edgelordy” feels inaccurate.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-16 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
The delivery on the absolute silliest part of the song comes off as extremely serious, for one thing.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-17 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Really? I presume you're talking about the phone call. To me that part doesn't seem serious at all. It's where the song reaches it's most parodical.