[ SECRET POST #3909 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3909 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, he kind of had a point. His departure came around the time when the series was beginning to become more exploitative and voyeuristic in its depictions of violence. I'm not the kind of person who can't watch horror movies, but even to me there was a marked difference between the darkness of the material in season one, and the darkness of the material after his departure. I can see why it might have become hard to deal with even if it seemed okay when he signed on. The fact that dark things happen in a series is much less important than how those things were handled, and in Criminal Minds I thought the subject matter was increasingly mishandled.

[(Anonymous)]

I think people would give him more of the benefit of the doubt if he'd handled the situation more professionally and if he didn't keep taking potshots at Criminal Minds and the actors who decided to stay. That's why I personally dislike him. He could've discussed his concerns like an adult instead of just not showing up and making the production scramble to figure out what to do. There's also no call to be so dismissive of the fans who still like Criminal Minds.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I totally get the subject matter of the show being a bit much for people after a while, but there's better ways to handle it.

There's also no call to be so dismissive of the fans who still like Criminal Minds.

Especially considering that a lot of the fans, including those who still watch, have made similar complaints about the grim content of the show in recent years as well. I've noticed that some people seem to have this strange assumption that if somebody's a fan of this show that clearly means they're totally okay with and practically eager to watch women getting brutally murdered each week, and that that's the only reason people watch the show.

Every time I hear that, it makes me wonder if the people making those assumptions have ever actually talked to any of the show's fans, 'cause if they had, they'd know that the characters/cast are the big draw for most of us. And when it comes to the case side of things, we're much more interested in the psychological aspect and solving the case alongside the team than we are any sort of torture porn. There may well be a few viewers here and there who get a thrill out of the more grotesque elements, but I think they're pretty few and far between, if anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course he was unprofessional about it, if everything went down the way we think it did. I just think it's disingenuous to try and insinuate that he was full of shit about the ~dark subject matter~ because he moved on to a show that was also dark, as if all violent canons are created equal. Not every canon that deals with dark subjects is just 24/7 crying women being menaced by insensitively portrayed mentally ill people.

When has he taken potshots at or been dismissive to the Criminal Minds cast and its fans? In the statement I remember, he specifically said that he didn't judge procedural fans, but it's obviously been a long time.

[(Anonymous)]

And if he didn't do the same shit after he left Chicago Hope.

[(Anonymous)]

I strongly disagree about the timing - Criminal Minds had a really good run up to about the end of season 4 or early season 5 *not* being exploitative or voyeuristic and never, ever blaming victims. It was one of the very few crime shows I watched for exactly that reason. I do agree that the subject matter was increasingly mishandled, but that was years after Patinkin walked out.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I completely understand needing to leave because the material just went places you didn't want to go. But there are established procedures for this kind of thing. You don't just NOT show up for work one day and leave everyone hanging. As someone who's been in show business a long time, Patinkin knows this. He chose to deliberately ghost his job, creating a lot of unnecessary panic and work for people who'd done nothing to wrong him in any way. And then he chose not to ever apologize for behaving so unprofessionally and instead chose to lob passive aggressive snark at the people who chose to stay - people who were less rich, less well known, with less established careers than him. People who do not necessarily the option of burning their bridges the way he chose to do.


Very bad form, that.

[(Anonymous)]

Details on the passive aggressive snark?