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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-09-21 06:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #3914 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3914 ⌋

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[Smallville]


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[Riley, Julie's Greenroom]


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[Anne with an E]


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[Bojack Horseman]


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[Jeeves and Wooster, P.G. Wodehouse]











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Re: Everyone's nonbinary?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-22 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
That quote is stupid, implying that "male" or "female" has an innate meaning. It does NOT, beyond the biological component. Call yourself what you want, but don't imply that people without dysphoria fall into gender stereotype categories and can be "labelled" unlike yourself.

Re: Everyone's nonbinary?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-22 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
It doesn't imply that "male" or "female" has an innate meaning. It does imply that those concepts have a culturally-mediated existence, against which we often identify ourselves, and within which we construct our identities.

don't imply that people without dysphoria fall into gender stereotype categories and can be "labelled" unlike yourself.

I don't think that anyone is implying that, and if anyone is, they're being a jerk. I certainly don't think that anything about the concept of gender-neutral or non-binary implies that.

Re: Everyone's nonbinary?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-22 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
SA

Well, I guess the article in particular is advocating that, but I don't think anyone else is, and cbarararara certainly isn't advocating that line. It's really not the generally accepted view.

Re: Everyone's nonbinary?

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2017-09-22 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
No, it doesn't imply that. Male and female are also culturally constructed realities. But then again, so are national and state governments, and I make damn sure to care proper ID when I travel and don't badmouth law enforcement on the basis that their authority is an arbitrary social construction.

There's also this fucking bizzare idea that the de facto existence of nonbinary trans people implies anything about how cis people do or do not conform to gender stereotypes or choose to describe their gender. By all means, GNC cis people shouldn't be targets for discrimination, harassment, or violence either. The idea that nonbinary people are the problem for GNC cis people is just taking 1970s anti-trans rhetoric and moving the goalposts slightly.

Re: Everyone's nonbinary?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-22 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
The idea that nonbinary people are the problem for GNC cis people is just taking 1970s anti-trans rhetoric and moving the goalposts slightly.

It's striking how direct this is.

Re: Everyone's nonbinary?

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2017-09-22 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
It's kinda ridiculous to say that Jill Soloway, a person who has won multiple awards for films and TV series centered on diverse female characters cis and trans, supports narrow gender roles for cis women because she now identifies as trans.

Re: Everyone's nonbinary?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-22 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
Do they really? I didn't hear that.

That's actually kind of interesting, because trans people I know have not really been universally positive about Transparent.